Israel accuses Hamas of abducting missing teenagers

Very relevant response to question of who fired how many rockets.

 

The real question here is, who fired the first rocket?
I'll give you a hint, not Israel.

 

Thank you.
Again the Palestinian wall of lies is exposed.
Blahhhh

 

I hope the Palestinian bastards did not kill the poor teenagers..

 

Echoes of the Nazi behaviour in Europe in the Second World War.

See "Lidice"

 

Well, that stopped the discussion dead in its tracks, didn't it?

 

What's to discuss? IDF is not executing 300 Hamas members for each kidnapped teen, sorry to bust your bubble but you wont see massacres here.

 

Not until they respond to the provocation anyway

http://972mag.com/west-bank-operation-was-planned-ahead-of-time/92295/

Looks more than likely they know the students are dead already

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/06/21/source-israeli-teenage-kidnap-victims-likely-dead/

- and if that is so the likelihood that they were taken by Hamas is extremely low. One of the advantages of them being taken by Hamas would have been an increased likelihood of them being found alive.

If they were really looking for the students I would have thought they would have started where they were 'kidnapped' from - a settler road between Hebron and Bethlehem controlled by Israel.

As for having the Nazi sign, not far off to be honest.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs...ian-every-hour-says-new-israeli-facebook-page

 

You say Hamas couldnt have done it because they are perfect in their kidnapping operations and because it was in the area of a Jewish settelment - the kidnappers were Jews, then call us Nazis,


How shall I put it, your theories are rejected as they have nothing to do with the Israeli - Palestinian conflict, nothing to do with past events or present issues between Hamas-Jihad-PLO-Israel.

 

No, as I have already said the tactics Israel has supposedly used to find these students are the tactics never used in kidnapping cases as they are known to result in the kidnapped being killed. That being said, Hamas does not kidnap people to kill them. I was reading one article which hoped Hamas did have them for exactly that reason. Given the situation they are in with their new relationship with Fatah and what they gave up for it, it is highly unlikely on every level they are responsible and Israel would have known this.

My theories are now those being taken up by the press. I have even seen it written the 'apparent' kidnapping. No, you have lost here. People are coming round to what I originally thought and the evidence increasingly supports it. In any case the links you are calling my theories are not in this case coming from me - nice try.

Now I have under fives arriving wanting my attention.

 

If Terror organizations had full control over their members they would take over the world, nothing is perfect nothing is mistake free, its generally agreed in Israel that Hamas leaders did not want it at this point of time - HOWEVER - one cannot build itself up to such OP, train his ppl for exactly that and then when such kidnapping does happen but not as expected/planned - they cannot say "we are innocent", that can work in Europe but not on us,

So yes, this failed OP did give Israel an opening to clear the stable, we found many guns and tunnels, no teens thou.

Please tell me what media suggests its Israeli Jews that kidnapped them so I can ignore it in the future. Thx

That's never easy. you have my sympathy...

 

I know. They are all collectively guilty. You should go to jfjfp. They included some of the more moderate Israelis and they had my hair standing on end. Given that you do not even know who kidnapped these students, assuming they were indeed kidnapped, there is no point in all you say above. Israel has a responsibility as an occupying power not to engage in the collective punishment she is which as one of my links suggests was planned before any kidnapping. We know now as well that the Palestinians are being tortured. Now you have 400 people arrested. It is perfectly obvious that the Israeli Government has no genuine suspects and is just engaged in widespread terrorism. I do not like terrorism any more than you. Please ask your government to stop it. In addition to this as I have said more than once if these students were really kidnapped by Palestinians the chances that they are dead due to the way the supposed search for them has been made is strong. One link you will remember claims it is already known they are already dead. The sites which ask for the deaths of Palestinians, and there are many really says it all. Israel has now lost the plot. She knew she was in trouble after her failed peace talks so she tried this. What is it? Israel anger wanting to massacre all the Palestinians.

Wide scale massacre. You have killed teens, what are you talking about. You have also injured an eight year old boy. You have just shown yourselves as the bully again, afraid that the Palestinians are at last on the verge of gaining some justice. I genuinely am surprised at your support of this. It is a kind of mass hysteria which has been built up based on lies and half truths and you have bought it. It is not attractive.

People who can be so easily encouraged into the mass hysteria and hate and desire for genocide are not really with a conscience imo but no one suggested it. It could even have been jfjfp themselves who mentioned that it should not be overlooked that the students went missing on a settler road under the control of Israel. Here is their position, that is Jews in the UK whose name Israel does not speak in.

http://jfjfp.com/?p=61203

Some of them may still be zionists but unfortunately Israel's actions become harder and harder for these people to stand by and so they work for a just solution for the Palestinians.

Ah! I am the grandmother. I get to send them home to their parents where they are now!!

 

Hamas Palestinians are the filthy kidnappers, they should pay the price.
Mr. Haled Mashaal from Qatar ( Head of Hamas or something ) should recieve another injection of poison.

 

Realy??

It makes sense now! you are a sweet caring lady! so sorry for being an ass at times- some issues (and some posters) bring out the worst in me....., ill be more carful next time im arguing with you !

ill answer your points soon, got some work to do..

 

Kalb Mashaal, one of Hammas ( The Palestinian Bedouin's terror orginazation ) leaders, says that he supports civilian kidnappings.
The bastard said he doesn't know who is responsible...
Palestinians are the main cause of violence in the Middle East.

 

No, you exaggerate again, police, court houses and the army harm civil rights every day of innocent civilians around the world for security reasons, for investigating crimes, to give evidance on a crime, for endangering other ppl etc',

Its not about punishing its about finding tracks for the kidnapped kids and questioning terror suspects, 300 arrests out of 300,000 residents in Hebron done with the assitance of the Palestinian security forces, its not even close to terror.

Massacare all Palestinians is crazy, unrealistic and points to histeria and nothing more.

Wide scale massacre........right, show me the list please

Hamas at Gaza just shot a rocket that fell in Gaza house killing a 4 y old infant and injured a few others,

They chose an armed struggle Alexa, armed means ppl will die.

Well im sorry but I dont want to be attrective to ppl that witness a kiddnap and call the victim side "bullies"

What lies and half truths did I write about ? at best we both dont know who kidnapped those boys.

Well if it turns out to be a "mistake" Israelis will make their own conclusions on trusting the Gov, so far no reason to suspect that, much more likly a kidnap that went wrong and from the kidnappers view once the PLO hunts them they cant keep the hostages to they killed them and buried them in some pit, we will never hear of them again not even to exchage bodies after Hamas denial. like I said they armed the gun and pointed it at our direction, they can go only so far with the misfire excuse.

Israeli leftees (all 5 of them....) and Jewish leftees are relics of the 90's when peace was thought to be possible, they will catch up with time eventually.

 

I don't understand all the hatred towards Israel - seems to me like a lot of the hatred's rooted in ethnic grudges. But I've yet to figure out why Israel gets as much flak as terror groups like ISIS from some of the hardcore haters.


I'd think being one of the only democratic, and non-Islamic nations in the Middle East'd would deserve some support in and of itself. In the realm of "atrocities" worldwide I don't think Israel even registers - there are more anti-Israel threads on this forum than there are about the atrocities done in North Korean gulags.

 

Get Out!!!
Really?
Wow.

I always imagined you as an 18 yrs old...

 

Proves beyond the scope of reason that you have no inkling of Middle East History.
There were NEVER a 1967 BORDER for this was an ARMISTICE LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There was NEVER a State called 'Palestine' EVER and, why is it in your eyes, the role of Israel to create one?
I am sure that after this divulged truth, you would now have the right to balance what is right and what is absolutely wrong... NOT to create a Terrorist State in the heart of my ancient country is Just in everyone's eyes except of course yours.

 

Alexa your comments contain numerous references to your personal feelings. You do not dettach your personal feelings from the points you make. You pose your opnions as spiritual feelings. Why?

Why are you so personally attached to your comments about Israel? Surely by now you know your opinions reflect your feelings not things based on objective fact...why? Why is it relevant to bring your family into the discussion?

I think you provide an excellent example of someone who sits far removed from the conflict who incites hatred against Israelis in your comments and then justifies your agenda referring to your grandchildren. I find it unfortunate you use your family or grand children shield as shields to contextualize your statements of feeling.

This is a thread about a kidnapping of children on the West Bank, not you, not your grandchildren and it has nothing to do about your feelings towards Israelis or Jews.

In the big picture you can sit in Glascow and make all the comments you want, when all said is done, you can walk the streets without fear of a terrorist attack. In that sense you show a lack of perspective.

If and when a terrorist comes for your grandchildren, you would be the first to argue that your government do the same thing Israel's government tries to do for its grandchildren.

I loath such references but its the only way one seems to be able to get a point across to you.

 

Why? That would be not just illogical but stupid would it not?

How does quantity of deaths define morality? How could it.

Any death of an innocent person is unfortunate.

Morality is not some football match score.

You think you can define morality by numbers? Explain how. Can you?

Here is the point:

1-Hamas in its charter, and the Palestinian terror cells like Farah Hawks, Al Asqa Martyr Brigades, Intifada, believe in killing, maiming and mutilating innocent civilians deliberately as a legitimate method to express political opinions.

2-When the IDF kills innocent civilians, it does not do so deliberately.

3-Hamas and the other Palestinian terror cells call for deliberate killing and torture of the innocent. Israel does not.

4- In regards to tje Palestinians you think were innocent and died, are you in the position to know how many of them died being used by shields of Hamas or other terrorists? . Have you been on the ground to understand what the theatre of war is? Do you understand that Palestinian terror cells deliberately use hospitals, homes, apartment balconies, schools, UN buildings, mosques, community centres as sites to launch their attacks from using civilians at these places as shields?

Do you understand they take Red Crescent ambulances and transport weapons and terrorists with them?


5-Do you understand that Hamas, Intifada, openly reject morality. They openly state there is no moral ground in war. They do what they want when they want. They believe in no laws. No law exists for them. Anything is justified if it achieves their political interest.

So given the above how do you suggest what they do is even moral? You think the lack of morality terrorists share, magically appears because innocent people die? That is illogical.


The blood of any innocent person is the same colour, bleeds the same way, and is a tragic loss. The number of the deaths does not change it.

Every time an innocent person dies, we have failed and that is WE as in humanity.

Please I plead to you as I do anyone else talking of this conflict or any conflict, morality is not measured by quantity of deaths. All lives are equally as sacred.

No Israeli has come on this board and said otherwise or argued otherwise.

As for a comment made by Margot about genocide of Beduins, I know many. I am friends with Beduins in Israel. They are respected by Israelis as human beings. They are a people of ancient traditions. They are being squeezed by modern urban life, not just in Israel but in every Arab country they live in.

It is absolutely irresponsible as Margot suggested to say they are victims of genocide. This is an out and out falsehood. I challenge her to provide the names of the dead and the documentation they are being murdered as we speak.

Her use of the term genocide triviliazes its meaning and devalues it.

They are experiencing the very same phenomena happening to the aboriginals in North America, Australia, New Zealand. They are struggling to preserve their old traditions in the face of spreading urban sprawl that does not mesh with their lifestyle. To throw that into this discussion to demonize Israeli I have learned to expect from some posters but its uncalled for.