17 Years After Gun Bans in Australia… Police Say Gun Crime is Out of Control

While I reference primary sources, you reference secondary media and political sources, and you have a skewed definition of "gun violence" which is not only intellectually dishonest but politically biased. Your original claim has not been proven.

 

So the suicide rate didn't change but the methods did. Criminals conducting robberies did not abate and the numbers of guns used in crimes actually rose.

 

Gun control is a revolutionary weapon. Revolutionary weapons do not solve problems, but create problems to alter society, and to cause resistance and fight in the population. To create movements ('armies') (aka political parties or movements on the streets via revolts)
The police is no longer your protection, but is part of the same revolutionary war (is protecting the system) Don't try to resist that system's protection, because you will loose and gun crime will never be solved. Try to use politics and convince your local police that they are part of the problem, which is always the same in history, the powers that be (rulers)
You cannot end tyranny by trying to resist it or use politics or protest or start to organize against it, or via seperatism, but to back away and stay out of that (revolutionary) war.

 

BTW, In the United States, when someone is said to be "special" it is not a compliment but slang for a person lacking in mental ability, or who has the mistaken idea they are better than others.

 

One way to deal with an insult - take it as a compliment - it has the same effect as a Judo throw - uses the opponents strength against them and disables the argument

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Actually it did go down - partly because guns are better at killing

 

You know - really should check out the facts BEFORE posting

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2704353/

 

It is here too.

It is here too.

OK then we are not as bad as you because of the way our statistics are gathered.

And studies account for that.

 

take that most appropriate advice and travel to China or NKorea and let us know how that works out for you....

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take that most appropriate advice and travel to China or NKorea and let us know how that works out for you....

 

I'm not quite sure in what language to repeat this but - I made no claim - I merely refuted the proposition that the rate of gun-related deaths were higher in the UK and Australia than in Switzerland. The figures are a matter of record, no matter whether you term them gun-violence or something else. More people per capita die every year in Switzerland from guns than do in either Australia or the UK. Research the matter yourself, and stop wasting our time.

 

could of told ya that, only good guys follow the law....

so any bans only effect good guys, bad guys could care less

 

BWAAAAHHAAAA. That is funny. Of course gun suicides went down. That is becuae people started to use rope and jumping off bridges.

 

the Aussies predicted that once guns were removed (banned) that suicide rates would fall. Evidence is to the contrary. The number hasn't decreased, but has remained the same.
Two things can be said...Guns had no affect on the number of suicide rates, and suicide is the effect of a broken mind.

 

Meh. We both see "the people" as sovereign - they see the people as a collective as sovereign, we see the people as individuals as sovereign. I think there's a pretty big difference to be honest.

That difference in perspective is responsible for the direction modern liberals have taken relative to classical liberals - on guns, on discrimination, on most things.

 

I see all people as potential sovereigns. I see people trying to maintain their sovereignty and I see people who surrender it quickly.
Our government is supposed to be neutral, not them against us. That is why the Bill of Rights are precious to me.

 

Are you aware of the vast knife crime in the UK? Gun control didn't civilize them.

 

Please re-read - no evidence of use of alternative methods

 

If you look at the thread title and concentrate really hard, you will discover it's about GUN crime. The American civilian carnage has no equal in the developed world.

 

Good - always willing to go head to head with research - you post yours backing your assertions and I will post mine

 

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Please google suicide substitution in Australia, which you have seen before.

 

Did - proved you wrong with a link to real research not some armaments industry funded blog

 

so, it is your claim that there are no suicide rates at all with alternative methods....huh, I though that jumping, over-dosing, hanging. slitting wrists were the alternative methods of suicide..............but since the suicide rates in Oz haven't changed on bit, then guns were not the driving force for committing suicide, however, you discount the other methods as irrelevant to this discussion, therefore, Oz has no suicides

 

Your a perfect example of the delusional evidence gun control advocates will make up. The authors De Leo D1, Dwyer J, Firman D, Neulinger K., are from the Australian Institution of Suicide Research and Prevention. Hardly members of an 'armaments industry'. But you go a head and live in that delusional world of yours.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12882416

"When the firearm suicide rate for Australian males declined the hanging rate increased simultaneously"

 

Hur hur hur!! Mine tink dat funnier

Well sarcasm aside you really should not accuse others of being disingenuous whilst posting an abstract that does NOT support your contention

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12882416http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12882416
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Gun reform was in 1996 so this study would be /primarily BEFORE the gun reform and secondly where does it day that a decrease in gun availability caused an increase in other methods??
The study I quoted, which has a longer post regulation time frame does NOT support your contention

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2704353/

 

Australian Institution of Suicide Research and Prevention is not an armaments industry. Gun control didn't fix 'societal acceptance' for suicide substitution methods. >>>MOD EDIT PA Removed<<<