New NSA scandal in Germany

Looks like the Germans are able not only to kick the ball. They can also give a kick to the US official.

 

I do personally think that the US goverment is really stupit in that issue.

Germany is may be their best friend and to insult your best friend for zero reason is ...very stupit.

Germany is unlike the UK not a poodle. If the US goverment will go on and on and on with that insulting behaviour, the goverment will lose a friend. Germans do have a lot of patience, but enough is enough. Seem to us that the US

1. Does not take us seriously
2. Does not understand what it will cause

I tell inhere it might cause later on:

a. Germany will leave Nato
b. Germany will create a counter balance
c. Germany will use ALL it's potential to defent itself against US spying.

Germany is not some banana country where an other country simply can step on.

And: Germany does have a lot of friends and I cannot imagine that for example the french will think that US behaviour is normal.

I do think we do have really better things to do that such stupidity. If I was Obama, I would fire all these NSA idiots.

Germany did announce today that it will invest a lot...a lot of money to create an effective defense against US spying now. A lot! I think the uS is destroying also the trade agreement with the EU. The EU exept Britain what also is spying on Germany (are they braindamaged????) does totaly back Germany in that matter.

I am really irritated about such US policy. And I am pro american. That policy does create an extreme negative antiamericanism here.

All I am writing is not at all about the people in the US. But I am not anymore certain if the american people are aware what stupidity their goverment is doing.

It is NOT honorable, it is an insult, it is aggressive, it will and must be answered.



What I really do not get, I really do not:

Why on earth doesn't anybody recocnize in the USA what they cause here?

I would really say that Germany does have symphatie in that issue from 99% of the world.

 

Better shut up or else! Our troops station in Germany, after all... We are your "big brother", period.

 

The NSA is acting too much like the KGB and Stazi secret police of Germany in the 1960s. IT's got to be stopped, one way or another.

 

I am not against US troops here at all, but they are here as long as we want. If in 10 years a german goverment ask them to go, they have to go and they will. Simple as that. All other say is such sort of russian propaganda. Germany is a souverain country. So far, I think american troops are fine here. My posting was not about american troops, it was about NSA. And NSA will be removed here, step by step. The more they do, the faster they will be removed.

I am pro american, but if such view is ignored by the US goverment , they do a mistake. Nobody has to shut up here, No country has enough power to make us shut up.

Americans themselves would not tolerate any US goverment to make shut up anybody. The USA has democracy and freedom of speech. So your provocation does not work here. You are russian anyway. Unlike fascist Russia, amerians themselves unlike their agencies know that I am right about my critics.

 

US influence in the world rests only on the armed forces. NSA part of this system. You can not completely get rid of the NSA, not getting rid of the troops, and these troops in Germany more than in the rest of Europe.

Germany has had a chance to get rid of all occupational US troops when the Russia withdraw troops. But today, this chance is lost. Withdraw troops from Germany to the United States means losing influence in Europe. US likely change the Germany government, which make such an attempt. That is why Merkel has to carefully select words when she talks about the spying issues.

Have you heard sizzle in the US government about a possible meeting between Putin and Merkel at the finals in Brazil?

 

No, I did not hear Merkel meeting Putin in Brazil.

And I am 100% convinced that no american goverment would have any say IF.... IF (!) the german one day will insist american troops to leave. If so, what could they do?

Change the goverment here? How? The whole world would in such case turn against the USA. The american people would turn against its own goverment, Obama would be taken out by americans.

I do think russians only want a total brake between Germany and the USA because they like to weaken the west. Russia should better look for its own radical extreme fascist goverment first. I do not trust Russia. No way. History and presence did show the brutal face of Russia to often - Germany also was that way, but we changed, Russia never did really change since Stalin! Gorbatchov was promising and now we have again a fascist in power...a Junta in Kremelin!

Putin is a pure fascist of the most pure way. A mixture between Czar, a Mafia boss like Capone and a Nazi.

I do not see at all why american troops should leave here. I rather see having more of them at russian borders.

I think the USA must be critizised in its spy policy and they risk a lot...really a lot ny doing that. But Russia is absolutely no alternative. Never.

ONLY..ONLY if Russia is getting a free elected goverment what they do NOT ! have and a democratic constitution and if they leave:

Crimea
Moldava
Georgia
Königsberg
Chechnya


than I could imagine a really close relationship between germany and Russia. Will that ever happen?

Your answer will be NJET

So will we ever see an alliance between Germanyand Russia?

My answer is NJET

Simple as that.

parts of...

Ukraine is occupied by Russkji
Georgia is occupied by Russkji
Moldova is occupied by Russkji
Königsberg is occupied by Russkji
Finland is occupied by Russkji


No more comment needed

 

I think it is good that we kicked that embassy staff out. It showed the americans a strong message and as it looks right now, they are angry. Which is good.

 

ahh our bavarian friend..allways a special relationship between Berlin and Bavaria.

I agree. The US must understand that this wont be tolerated and if needed, things must get stronger here. But this is an argument in the family, not outside the family.

The USA was is and stays a close allie. Simply they must get that they do very wrong to not respect us by simply ignoring all critics and spying.

The next step if needed is a "NO" to the trade union. Also Ramstein could be, if things keep on beeing that negative way be questionable.


If Germany does close Ramstein, the US troops in Afghanistan are cut off.

I really hope such thing wont happen. The US must change its policy here. It is not if they "can" change it.. The must! To spy on innocent germans (is Merkel a Taliban??? Are bavarian people in the village are Taliban? Is the Berliner soccer player Boateng a Taliban???)

...to spy on germans is an extreme insult.

An extreme one. And american officials should know that all germans, left or conservative are united in that matter.

 

I want them out and i don´t see them as friends or allies.

 

Are you aware, that they did protect us since 1945 from russian imperialism?

As I told you: I am from Berlin.

Please be so kind to look under the words (google them) ! "airbridge Berlin" 1948.

It was the life of our american friends what was givin to save us!

I understand you, you might be younger than me. I also understand that you are critical about US presence and US friendship, but are you aware that without american help and american protection, we would not be able to critizise them? It is american freedom what does put us in such comfortable position!

I think americans have to deal with a new critical generation, but also germans have to deal with history. History tells me pretty clearly that I do prefer a partner where I do disagree strongly about its behaviour here than a "partner" what does occupie me as russians do that in CRIMEA or eastern UKRAINE.

Yes, some american ideas in politics are weird to us. Defenetely. Yes, some americans are arrogant, but also some germans by thinking that we are more educated, better informed blablabla...we are NOT. We are simply differetely educated and with democratic partners we can argue about that.

I do apreciate american sense for freedom and understanding.

I support that. So I also do use such ideals and tell them: Spying on us is completely unacceptable and must be stopped - if not, I do reject the Free trade union with them and I think than we should think about creating a stronger EU block.

But the USA is our friend and partner. It is our family. We are part of the west!

 

Hmm. Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Finland was a parts of Russia Empire for several centuries. From this viewpoint, the opposite is true.

Ahead of World Cup final, Merkel and Putin talk Ukraine



http://www.dw.de/ahead-of-world-cup-final-merkel-and-putin-talk-ukraine/a-17782964

And congratulations for winning the championship!