People in this country needs to know about Saul Alinsky

Not my problem that you engage in a Sophist argument on false grounds camoflauged by faux outrage and an attempt to entrap me into a false deflection to make some aloof point to an end game in which I will not engage all because you know that I (and the OP) are correct.

 

I don't know where the op got his list of rules, but they are not Alinsky. Here are his 12 rules

 

FAIL! The first amendment was not written or passed when the Constitution was written or ratified.

 

You have a mild point. The bill of rights were written as a further limit to governemnt and greater liberty and freedom for citizens. God is not mentioned in the constitution because it would set up the theocracy they left Europe to escape, the progressive leftist Obama voters create fear of, and inline with Alinski's 7th way to destabilize society.

 

Our government has actually been using the mass hypnosis techniques Hitler used on the people since the early 50's and the education system has been in steady decline since then, doesn't matter what party is in charge.

My comments were not phobic about Christ, it was a legitimate observation on how religion throughout time has been a tool for controlling the masses to benefit the chosen few. Not just one religion but all religions have been used for this purpose in one way or another since for ever.

Religion started when the first monkey pointed at the sun and told the monkey next to him that that ball in the sky is God, and he told me to tell you to give me your banana or else.

 

It is actually more communist that national socialist.

So has Atheism. politicized religion is always a disaster, even Atheism. Give it a think.

OK, the evolution link. Whatever.

 

I say again the radical left sure gets its underlovelies in a wad when their commie actions get exposed to the light of day!!!

 

Well neither has actually been implemented in the true sense of the definition without a dictator attached, so either in any example you are going to use is just a totalitarian dictatorship that has fooled its population into believing they are in charge, when they are being controlled by a fascist totalitarian dictatorship. Not much different when applied to the actual definition of a plutocracy, which also has its ignorant/misinformed peasant class, controlled by the rich/elitists who dictate the rule of law. AKA totalitarian dictatorship/two party scam.

I agree but most people do not consider atheism as a religion/cult. It is a belief system just like any religion is, an in the complete definition not a condensed web definition, there are a couple definitions that can be applied to define atheism as a religious belief. The main definition (most used) is someone who believes in God or Gods, and devoted/committed to that religious belief. But it also applies to any cause, principle, or system of belief that one conforms to vigorously/energetically. So militant/aggressive atheists could fit that definition of having a religion even though no God or Gods are involved.

So you do not believe in the principles of evolution? You can replace monkey with human if you prefer. But what better way to show that religion has evolved over the centuries, just as man has than to use a monkey in the analogy?

One theory on the evolution of religion is;

"Religion and the concept of God originated and are maintained in the context of maximizing inclusive fitness through serving the interests of one's circle of kin and one's larger-scale social and cultural groups."

"Initially it was ancestors who apparently became the first supernatural agents for God, and/or gods (or Godlike themselves): they were absent, of human form, morally powerful, immutable, and mysterious yet comforting by virtue of warm, supportive bonds of kinship. Religious rituals focused on ancestors also necessarily strengthen kinship links and foster cooperation more generally ... . Ancestors, and other kinship figure gods, may serve to unify groups through psychological kinship at increasingly higher levels as human populations increase."

You have to be purposely deaf, blind, and dumb not to understand that religion has evolved in the past few thousand years, even Christianity itself has changed from its original conception.

 

1) The 'its never been done right so its failuers every where every time don't count because it has never been done right' red herring argument. Fail.

2) Atheism is a religon as it adherents defend its principles and preferences. If they were truely Atheist they would not care one bit what people of faith did, said, or acted. Every body knows there is a God because we were created in his image and all have a natural inclination that is so. The break down occurs because people do not believe God, and there in reality is no breakdown whatsoever in the knowledge that God is.

3) No. Evolution is pure fantasy and involves idealism that is anti-religion in the main and science on the perifery. And then the social science and anthropology see religion as social mechanism of political control and therefore irrelavent and false. While true in certain respects it fails to realize that there is real religion of one creative God and the division downward of false religions of false gods.

 

I don't take the position that it can or will work, so you are just being paranoid. I'll say it again, A dictatorship calling itself a communist/socialist society is still a dictatorship.

At least you agree it is a religion, many people refuse to accept that fact. The rest is convoluted nonsense, when you try and apply your beliefs to everybody and imply they are just in denial. Talk about a supremacist point of view.

Yes religion is for the most part a tool. Even the majority of the so-called leaders are hypocrites, and don't believe the manure they are shoveling for their own benefit. If there is a God, and I am not saying there isn't, these people are going to be in for a rude awakening indeed.

 

1) A dictatorship can emerge in a democracy as we so clearly see the attempt at such now.

2) Yes, I do agree with that.

3) That is true of politicised religion in all cases and it always leads to convert or die policies.

 

I don't give a rats ass what snoops has to say
snoops is nothing but unqualified amateur husband in wife team with not one iota of credentials to investigate a dam thing

Saul Alinski dedicated his book to Satan any one who dedicates a book to Satan is a lunatic and anyone that follows his teachings is a radical dangerous extremist and that includes Obama and H. Clinton

now go ahead look on snoops and see what they say about Saul Alinski dedicating his book to Satan I doubt they will mention anything about that

what you are is what Lenin called a Useful idiot
"In political jargon, useful idiot is a term for people perceived as propagandists for a cause whose goals they are not fully aware of, and who are used cynically by the leaders of the cause."

for other words you don't have a clue who the hell you are defending and the agenda you are promoting

 

LOL

oh the irony...

 

Tru Dat! Obama voters are exactly that, useful idiots who look no further than the color of his skin and do no see, either by neglect or design, the corruption of his character.

 

This post is right on the mark.

 

Well sometime in that equation the democracy ceased to exist. It failed.

 

It did not fail. It was/is forced to fail because the political apparatus of the moment desired it to fail through the implementation of Alinski's how to book that Comrade President Imam El-Soetoro has/is following to a the letter.

 

Lies are the only tools that work when trying to justify the right wing agenda.

 

brt

With the continuous string of lies the Obama admin tells, and you claim the right wing lies??? Where have you been the last 6 years???

 

Both parties have been doing this for decades. They both lie about it, They both carry the torch of movement forward for the rich/elites. The two party system has been a scam since the 1950's, and became most powerful during the 1970-1980's, when industries became monopolized, mom and pops became extinct, and the ability of small businesses to compete was destroyed.

They have both been involved in an orchestrated effort to deregulate the banking system, allow wall street to run amok, and that "too large to fail" philosophy is a joint effort of the worst, blatant example of cronyism capitalism in our history. They don't even try to hide it any more.

Why do you think the country is so divided and things continue to get better for the rich/elites and worse for the peasants? They are being played. It isn't the people's fault they are so stupid, it is the rich/elites fault for taking advantage of them, knowing they are easily manipulated from the effort they have put forth and the mechanisms they have had put in place over the last 1/2 century.

 

But if you stand up to action to radicals you start do become a contra revolutionary movement that will become as even as radical after a while (a ,first political, fight start to emerge)
When movements start to appear in society one day contra movements will start to appear, and history will once again start to repeat (a hidden process)

If you don't want a repeat of history you have to do the opposite of becoming a movement, don't move, hold stand.
If a majority of society is in motion, that is a collective happening (the individuals in the hidden movements don't realize this)

A collective hidden movement means an entire hierarchy in motion.
An entire hierarchy in a stand still (as the current) situation (for most people) and no repeat of history will happen (because you stay in the 'old' situation. A new (neo) situation is were the problem starts for everybody)

 

Thats true to an certain extent. But people who know the above still voted for Obama and establishment republicans that are bought and paid for. I do not know who your repressentative is but he a wholly owned subsidiary of some multinational IMF corporation. We need term limits and publically funded elections to get rid of 'special interests' that politicians of both parties rail against from their mouths and have their hands out for their money.

 

Obama voters don't want to know who Alinsky is. They don't want to know who Frank Marshall Davis is. They don't want to know who Jeremiah Wright is. Ignorance is bliss for them.

 

Preaching at the choir. AND they need to be held accountable for their actions and their criminal activities.

 

buddhaman is saying he/she called you on the 8 rules of a socialist state. And found your post was not true. But, instead of admitting to your error, you deflect. Pretty sad.