BREAKING: New witness conversation captured on audio describes Brown charging cops

I don't know what police academy you went to, but most offices are taught to consider the public safety when using deadly force. I wonder why the police department isn't releasing information on how many times the officer fired his weapon. Law enforcement is taught to shot to maim, not pull their weapon and unload it like some gang shooting. Shooting someone 6 times is more of an act of anger than an act of self protection. Two shots to the head is excessive use of deadly force in any standard.

 

Brown took a pack of cigars, apparently. He didn't get his day in court. The police officer didn't confront Brown for the theft at the store.

 

You may ask what that means.
It means that of course " Big Mike " Brown DID in fact know he just
robbed a Convenient.That he would probably soon would be considered a suspect.
Am I to think according to the Lies and dopey talk around this board that
What Difference Does it Make { the strong arm robbing of a store } right before one
is scolded for walking in the middle of a street mouthing cuss words is IRRELEVANT.
Of course it's relevant.Mike Brown knew it was relevant.What difference if the cop
knew.BTW the cop knew of a robbery of cigars but not the suspect.
He noticed " Big Mike " Brown had cigars on his person.

 

When " Big Mike " Brown was strutting his stuff { including them cigars } down the
middle of the road cussing out stuff ... Did he KNOW he just robbed a Store.?
Of course he knew.That goes to Frame of Mind.That in fact,he was looking out
for the Cops.
So Stop all this dopey crap about What difference did it make.
It made a huge difference.Especially to " Big Mike " Brown.
It probably drove him towards desperation.

 

Lol, show us evidence of a law office teaching its officers to shoot to maim, not kill. That is probably one of the craziest things I have read so far. Again , the difference between 2 and 6 shots is usually less than 1 second. 1! And obviously this guy was taught well because he didnt shoot any one else or have strays... hence practicing good public safety.

 

What? A contemporaneous account, do you know what that means. Statements within minutes of the incident occurring not influenced by riots or demonstrations or claims Brown was a gentle giant, before claims of racism on the part of the cop. A clear narrative of the events. A narrative that corroborates the version by the officer both given without knowledge of the other version.

And what is the basis of your claim the witness is bias'd?

Yes this contemporaneous version of events will carry FAR more weight than the stories given AFTER the riots and demonstrations and claims that the officer fired illegally and given by those seeking the public light and going to the media.

 

I'll believe it when I see it from a credible source.

"Conservative Treehouse" ain't it.

This may be accurate. I'm not saying that it isn't necessarily. But the very low standards of right wing blogs should lead any intelligent person to be skeptical.

 

It did inspite of the two family attorney's making statements of fact otherwise.

 

No it is not you are basing this solely on the number of shots fired which was not excessive.

 

We have an uncouched contemporaneous version of events which corroborates the version issued by the police officer through the family friend, neither aware of the others narrative. We have witnesses going to the media to tell their stories after calls of murder and get the cop had already gone out.

 

There is a little dot below the neck in the back and that picture can't be Brown because the dead person in that picture appears to be jumping and if dead people could jump Brown couldn't jump that high.

Other than that I have to say that I have a 10mm S&W and it shoots about 6 inches to the left as this weapons seems to do unless Wilson was trying to stop Brown without killing him.

What more could Wilson do; four shots to the arm didn't stop Brown so he made the risky scalp buzz and that didn't stop Brown so he put one in his eye.

Upon closer look; it appears that two of the wounds to Brown's right arm were made by the same bullet - the right forearm was horizontal as he ran toward Wilson when one round hit his right palm near the thumb and went on to hit his arm just above his elbow.

 

If this kid was on drugs and coming after the cop, shooting him 6 times is not excessive, especially if the first four shots were only to wound him. A 9 mm handgun isn't that deadly, especially when used on a big guy.

 

I see your point.

It would seem to me that if your point is correct (as I believe it is), then the officer's training failed him. This guy is a 6 year veteren, who may never have drawn his weapon for any other purpose other than training or cleaning.

He confronted a couple of kids in the middle of the street, and confronted them, creating a tense situation that spiraled out of control rapidly.

I doubt most people with a weapon in their hands in a situation like that would have either the sense or forthought to be careful.

I would think police officers are trained to do just that. I doubt that this happened here.

The behavior of the police in the days after the event make it clear that this guy screwed the pooch badly and that the force has no idea what to do about it.

Things had calmed down before the police tried to blame the victim. They are at fault for bungling the public relations aspect of this (withholding facts, intimidating reporters, and attacking the victim).

Their actions have made a bad situation worse.

I have no idea what actually happened at this point. I don't get my news from something called "Conservative Treehouse". What the officer did does not appear to have been justified. But on a dark night, in a hostile and rapidly deteriorating situation, it's not hard to imagine what might have gone wrong.

I know a lot of cops. I can see how this guy may have felt.

But I will wait for all the facts, and try and avoid the ones pushing a particular agenda.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about. You shoot until they fall. It is very difficult to plant shots accurately when in fear, with adrenaline pumping so hard your arm is quivering. You train and train and train but there is no prep for the real thing, which happens to very few in practice. I expect he probably emptied the clip not knowing which shots hit or missed till he stopped advancing.

 

Since Brown was the convenience store robber yes he was probably aware of his own actions

 

None of what he said is true. Officers don't train to " wound , not kill " . This is a good breakdown ...

http://www.pfoa.co.uk/110/shooting-to-wound

And the timing between 2 and 6 shots is around 1 second ! To think that all of that goes through an officers head when put into a " oh (*)(*)(*)(*) " situation is laughable.

 

Why is St Louis County sitting on the original autopsy? Which was apparantly done days ago?

I don't know the answer, and I am not going to suggest a theory.

I'm just noting the fact.

 

The police department is not releasing information because they generally do not release any before the investigation is finished and that is universal.

You clearly never went to any police academy.

Police are never andnever have been trained or taught to shoot to MAIM.

They are taught and trained to shoot to stop the threat which usually means center mass aiming. They do not stop shooting until the target is DOWN and the threat is stopped. That may take 1 shot or 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,20 shots depending on the individual they are attempting to stop.

There is no standard ( except your own uninformed opinion ) which makes six shots excessive and that is fact

 

Then that means he Knew he was quilty of a felony { strong-arm robbery }.
Wouldn't have been a felony if he never had contact with the store clerk.
That also goes to " Big Mike " Brown's frame of mind.That he would be
keeping his eyes peeled for the Cops.
That he might have been thinking about that robbery and what if the Cops
stopped him. In short don't let for one second anyone convince you that Robbery
wasn't Relevant.Of course it was.it was huge.It changes everything.
That is why the Black Community is in full support of Brown,wants to downplay
that Convenient store robbery.It helps to set their Agenda.
That Brown was an Unarmed black and shot down dead like some dog.
Same crap they pulled in Zimmerman/Trayvon.

 

If this kid was as clean as they said and a big bear. Maybe his actions in the store and with the clerk tells us something. Was this kid stoned on drugs that made him act out of character and why he didn't stop after so many shots were fired at him?

 

That would be my guess as well.

 

You don't know that and in the first family news conference they warned that other information may come out about him and to not let that information prejudge him. Sounds like something as a juvenile which is sealed but may come out by others with knowledge of him.

 

Not quite

STATUTORY STANDARDS FOR USING DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE

The law authorizes law enforcement officers to use deadly physical force only when they reasonably believe it is necessary to:

1. defend themselves or a third person from the use or imminent use of deadly physical force or

2. make an arrest or prevent the escape from custody of a person whom they reasonably believe has committed or attempted to commit a felony involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical injury and, where feasible, they have given warning of their intent to use deadly physical force (CGS § 53a-22 (c)).

The law defines “deadly physical force” as physical force that can be reasonably expected to cause death or serious physical injury (CGS § 53a-3(5)). It defines “serious physical injury” as physical injury which creates a substantial risk of death or which causes serious disfigurement, serious impairment of health, or serious loss or impairment of the function of any bodily organ (CGS § 53a-3(4)).

The law specifies that a reasonable belief that a person has committed an offense means a reasonable belief in facts or circumstances which, if true, would constitute an offense. If the believed facts or circumstances would not constitute an offense, an erroneous though not unreasonable belief that the law is otherwise does not make the use of physical force justifiable to make an arrest or to prevent an escape from custody (CGS § 53a-22(a)).

CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR USING DEADLY FORCE

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the Fourth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution prohibits the use of deadly force to effect an arrest or prevent the escape of a suspect unless the police officer reasonably believes that the suspect committed or attempted to commit crimes involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical injury and a warning of the intent to use deadly physical force was given, whenever feasible (Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)). Thus, our statutory standards for using deadly force seem to parallel the federal constitutional standards.

The Court has said that the test of reasonableness under the Fourth Amendment is not capable of “precise definition” or “mechanical application.” “[T]he reasonableness of a particular use of force must be viewed from the perspective of a reasonable officer at the scene, rather than with 20/20 vision of hindsight….” Moreover, “allowance must be made for the fact that officers are often forced to make split-second judgments in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving about the amount of force that is necessary in a particular situation.” The question is whether the officers' actions are “objectively reasonable” in light of the facts and circumstances confronting them “(Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 396, 397 (1989)).
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2008/rpt/2008-R-0074.htm