BREAKING: New witness conversation captured on audio describes Brown charging cops

Do you have any other research. I don't disagree with you at all, but there are aspects to this site that are downright hinckey.

For instance, why is an orginaiztion that appears to be so interested in police and firearms issues in teh United States ,not located in the United States.

I could just as easily said this to another poster on this thread.

DON'T take what you read on the internet at FACE VALUE!!!!!!

 

Its the first thing I pulled.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/08/robert-farago/cnn-wolf-blitzer-dont-cops-shoot-wound/

"Toobin said police are trained to “never fire a warning shot” and to “never fire a shot to injure.” He explained that if police fire their guns, they must “accept the risk” that they are “gonna kill somebody.” Adding that: “If you are not prepared to kill someone, don’t fire the gun.”

The rationale behind this, according to Toobin, is that if law enforcement is taught to fire warning shots or to shoot to injure instead of kill, people will be shot “too often.""

That is from a lawyer on wolf blitzers show. Obviously this is not the easiest thing to google search and show.

 

He took a pack of cigars, he didn't rob a bank. I don't think desperation goes with taking a pack of cigars. He probably wouldn't have gotten probation for the offense. The cop didn't have to kill him. What the cop did was much worse than what Brown did.

 

But thats ok since the cop is white.

 

I was in law enforcement for many years. Use of deadly force is a very risky thing. Law enforcement people are taught that every time they discharge their weapon, they could miss their target and hit an innocent bystander, so they should never unload their weapon one suspect like gangsters do. Once resistance stops, the use of force must stop. There is no reason for Wilson to have shot Brown 4 times in the right arm and 2 times in the head.

 

The unreleased facts might indicate the shooting was justified.

You don't know.

 

Officers are taught that every shot is lethal force . To not know this and claim they teach you to shoot to wound makes me extremely doubtful of any of your claims.

 

What evidence do you have that Brown was on drugs? He had a clean record. One shot to the head would have taken anyone down. A cop shouldn't shoot someone in the head twice. That's just excessive.

 

So, armchair cop.......what would you have done in that situation with a 6'4, 290 pound individual charging at you........after beating you up and trying to take your weapon.......and refusing to comply with your commands? I waited with baited breath for your eloquent answer.

 

Cops that feel the need to empty a clip on one suspect don't need to be cops. They are very dangerous people.

 

Sure there is!

A number of rounds slightly off the mark hit the man's arm and did not stop his aggression.

Subsequent rounds hit the man's torso and head until the Officer diserned the aggression had stopped.

And all of this happened in less than 3 seconds.

Many cops are unaware of even how many rounds they've fired from their weapons after an officer involved shooting, as anyone who's attended a Law Enforcement academy can tell you.

That there were 6 hits on Brown and that they hit his arm, torso and head, even the TOP of his head as the adrenaline fueled officer continued firing at an unstopped threat isn't damning at all.

How fast could you shoot six shots if you were fighting for your life?

 

You don't know what you are talking about.

 

The police department already released the information that made Brown look bad. If their policy is to not release information until the investigation is completed, then they failed. I worked in law enforcement for over 9 years. I've had many friends who are law enforcement officers. They were all trained to think of public safety when using deadly force. Unloading a clip on one suspect is excessive, especially when two of those shots hit Brown in the head.

 

Check this out.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-no-record/14041457/

 

I doubt the police officer was fighting for his life, seeing how the shots were fired from a distance rather than close range. I also think that it's more likely that the officer lost his temper causing him to use excessive force. The first couple of shots more than likely cause Brown to stop his aggression, unless he was on some drugs. I'm not sure if he had drugs in his system, which will come out later. Police officers must keep a level head, else they become dangerous to society.

 

Wow! Talk about the total loss of credibility where analysis of law enforcement tactics is concerned. Inside the United States LEOs are taught to aim for the center mass period. The longer you are on the force the more instinctive center mass focus becomes. The fact that a six or seven year veteran struck a perpetrator three times on the arm and twice above the clavicle means that the officer WAS being rushed and the injured officer (and he WAS injured) had no time to calmly aim and fire.

 

Something like this happens every time there is a controversial shooting along these lines. Suddenly these anti-gun and anti-cop leftwingers sprout all these mystery experts who try to refute every aspect of known forms of LEO training everywhere. Is there any force anywhere inside the United States that teaches anything other than center of mass groupings and continue firing until the perpetrator halts?

 

Not if the last two were in the head.

Its likely he didn't even feel the first four.

As I said in another thread, adrenaline is a powerful chemical. I saw an Afghan calmly standing by truck asking for help while he held his guts in his hands when a mortar round went off in the cab of his truck. No screaming. No heavy breathing. Just asked politely like it was any other day.

 

You weaken your arguments by claiming to have been in law enforcement but you call a magazine a "clip," and you think that using an entire MAGAZINE on someone is excessive.

You are not only NOT a cop but you are trying to gain in reputation by leading people to believe you were a cop as opposed to a clerk or something.

You are not knowledgeable.

 

12 yards isn't a 'distance'. Especially if someone is sprinting at you. It may take a whole 2-3 seconds to ccover that 'distance'

 

Ever consider the last two might have been head shots. Maybe the kid was high on drugs and the other shots didn't slow him down.

 

None I've ever read or heard anything about.

 

Cops are trained to shoot to kill and keep shooting till killed period. There is no such thing as "excessive use of deadly force".

 

Not talking about you, of course, but anyone who is unfamiliar with what it's like to shoot handguns should subscribe to Hickok45's YouTube channel.

Eventually, in addition to gaining a greater appreciation for the sport of shooting and the fun of it, you'll see that sometimes you shoot at a target even as it is falling or moving from a previous hit.

Big Mike might have been falling down as the officer was still adrenaline shooting in rapid fire at the large mass rushing toward him. As Big Mike started to fall his head might have gotten in the way of two bullets from the cop's weapon.