29% of my poll want Mitt Romney to run again, 27% prefer other candidate.

Dear Lady

YOUR party has morphed into "Republican - lite"
The only diff is the degree of social engineering while all worship the money, not people.
We have not had a Democratic Party representing the Democratic wing of the Party since before Bubba Clinton.

Your enlightenment might occur if you study the similarities of the Libertarian Wing of the Republican Party and the Progressive Wing of the Democratic Party.
One of their victories over RepubloCrats has been the loosening of Marijuana enforcement at the Federal level. R-Congresseman Dana Rohrabacher creates this hands across the isle happenings in the House.
If we could just "get" either Warren or Paul on the ballot, monied interests will be worried.
And that is why it will not happen.
We will have a nice, secure, Hillary vs Jeb no choice RepubloCratic event in 2016
because that is where the money is.
And what would the economic policy or foreign policy diff's be of Hillary vs Jeb ?
NONE !

Rand Paul, M.D. just called out YOUR Hillary as a War Monger ! He is correct.
<Yes you are a secret Hillary fan, we know it. >


So while 99 and 44 one hundredths % argue the "fluff" issues as if "fluff" matters in our lives,
The monied remain happy.
If it isn't foreign or economic policy it us "fluff". Comprende ? Jeb = Hillary


Moi

r > > > > g
The RepubloCratic Way

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Ehck. I don't want the lot of 'em. I cannot even fathom at this point where I will vote.

 

There's an unbridgeable split between Libertarians and "Progressives." Libertarians believe in liberty. "Progressives" believe the Federal government should control everything. That's not fluff. It's life or death for our nation.

The United States was founded on libertarian principles, no matter how often those principles were set aside. Those principles made us great. Now "Progressives" say the Constitution has become irrelevant, and they know better than the people what the people need.

How naive must we be to believe that "Progressives" care nothing for self-interest? Do we really believe that "Progressives" want to rule us for purely benevolent reasons?

My friend Moi is carried away by his personal ideology. The idea of symmetry between the political poles is appealing. It's just not true. I could back Rand Paul. Elizabeth Warren is a bane, a plague among the people, who sells dictatorship and calls it "progress."

 

Thus spake bobov obfuscating progressive vs liberal again
The most corporationist, RepubloCrat on this Board.
Greed is good and tax breaks for the greedy is better.

The Truth is the same today as it was back when this was first "filmed".
[video=youtube;8MKb35NK0F0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MKb35NK0F0[/video]​

You Know YOU can trust Moi
Moi for Emperor with Plenipotentiary authority.
Moi believes There is Pleni for all of us !


Moi

r > > > > g
the way bobov
likes it.

PS If Romney did run, he must make his case to the poor and the working poor.
Be a unitifier and not a divisivider. for thread topicalness sake

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Once again Moi exhumes the corpse of Huey Long. Despite Moi's necrophile passion, public policy must be based on principles of economics and a mature understanding of human nature. Forcing people to do what they don't want to do, and luring in the suckers by making promises impossible to keep may win elections (it explains Obama), but it is unsustainable. That has been the lesson of every "progressive" experiment in history. Moi's happy-talk leads to pain and loss. He means well, but he doesn't get it.

 

What about the "fair" taxation of Standard Oil, Louisiana
before Long and post Long ?

Just pay their fair share is what its' about.

[video=youtube;hphgHi6FD8k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hphgHi6FD8k[/video]​

Moi

You Know YOU can trust Moi
Moi for Emperor with Plenipotentiary authority.
Moi believes There is Pleni for all of us !


r > g

No ​

 

I'm not familiar. How was Standard Oil, Louisiana, taxed before and after Long? And what difference does it make? You're talking about a time already remote from us. The whole society was different then. Standard Oil no longer exists, and big businesses are no longer patriarchies. Let's talk about now.

There is plenty for all of us. But we each have to put our own spoon into the pot. Expecting others to spoon feed you won't work. It worked for us all when we were babies in high chairs, but adults have to feed themselves. Not a bad thing. So much of "progressivism" is about recreating infancy.

 

Seriously cool film.

This does remind me though of a statement:
"We never should have privatized our debt and turned it over to the
private banks, we should have kept it in the hands of the Bank of Canada,
at least a major part of it, because then we would have been paying
interest back to ourselves." (NDP Leader Jack Layton)

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If Americans knew more about the history of banking control in the USA they would know that much more could be done than politicians are elaborating on in speeches.

http://www.michaeljournal.org/plenty49.htm
Chapter 49 &#8212; The History of Banking
Control in the United States

&#8230;&#8230;"Lincoln was re-elected President in 1864, and he made it quite clear that he would attack the power of the bankers, once the war was over. The war ended on April 9, 1865, but Lincoln was assassinated five days later, on April 14. A tremendous restriction of credit followed, organized by the banks: the currency in circulation in the country, which was, in 1866, $1,907 million, representing $50.46 for each American citizen, had been reduced to $605 million in 1876, representing $14.60 per capita. The result: in ten years, 56,446 business failures, representing a loss of $2 billion. And as if this was not enough, the bankers reduced the per capita currency in circulation to $6.67 in 1887!"

 

He certainly is a powerful speaker.

The type of monetary policy initiated by President Lincoln and President Kennedy is one that largely affects the rich.

As we rethink monetary policy we make it theoretically possible for everybody to be debt free&#8230;.. which would tend to make unions stronger&#8230;.. which is something that the extremely wealthy tend to regard as one of the ultimate evils&#8230;.. because that would mean fewer people desperate to accept the lower wages and benefits that they want to pay out.

Low levels of taxation on the rich makes great sense over the long term as long as those investments that they gain and gain and gain from&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; are invested in companies that are actually making the world a better place rather than worse?!

Use monetary policy to free the federal governments&#8230;.. state government&#8230;&#8230; local governments&#8230;.. as well as businesses and individuals from slavery to debts&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. come down hard on the companies that are destroying the earth&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. and it will make little difference how high the numbers are that one to ten to perhaps twenty or thirty percent of us pile up in accounts or stock portfolios in green and more ethical companies.


http://www.michaeljournal.org/lincolnkennedy.htm

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"In 1972, the United States Treasury Department was asked to compute the amount of interest that would have been paid if that 400 million dollars would have been borrowed at interest instead of being issued by Abraham Lincoln. They did some computations, and a few weeks later, the United States Treasury Department said the United States Government saved 4 billion dollars in interest because Lincoln had created his own money. So you can about imagine how much the Government has paid and how much we owe solely on the basis of interest." (Melvin Sickler)

 

"29% of my poll want Mitt Romney to run again, 27% prefer other candidate."

No.... once was enough! 19&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..43.18%
No..... I prefer another candidate! 12&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..27.27%

talk about spin, you really need to add these two together... 70.45% of people polled said they do not want Romney to run again (want another candidate), not just 27.27%



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Good point!

But.. in the year 2006&#8230;. if we had done up a similar poll but it was about John Kerry becoming leader of the Democratic Party for 2008&#8230;. what would the numbers be?

 

Some of the most important events at this time are happening at the local level.

http://www.politicalforum.com/elections-campaigns/356571-im-running-local-office-share-friends.html
I'm running for Local Office: Share with friends!
I am running for City Council in my hometown of Sonoma, California: http://votejack.org

 

Oh trust me I know. We're trying to get Mitch McConnell out of office where I am now.

 

I just found a seriously cool quotation that I know you will enjoy FairDemFem...&#8230;


http://www.mailstar.net/money.html

"As every environmentalist knows, over the last few centuries we humans have created an ecologically unsustainable industrial economy. Unless we radically reform our way of doing things and create a sustainable economic system we are doomed to suffer drastic changes. What most environmentalists--and indeed most economists--do not know is that over the last few centuries we humans have also created an economically unsustainable financial system. Unless we radically reform this financial system it will recurringly break down and thwart our efforts to heal the planet.

Our current financial system diverts us from our real problems to ask, "Where is the money going to come from?" This should be the least of our worries. As long as we have vast unmet human needs and idle human and nonhuman resources, and resources which can be diverted from wasteful activities such as the military, finance should never be allowed to stand in the way of doing what must be done. Could anything be more insane than for the human race to die out because we "couldn't afford" to save ourselves?" (John Hotson)

 

Amazingly, he could win if he did, but historically nobody is ever nominated twice. Conclusion: Ain't gonna happen.

The right person will never run, because the right person is too smart to get caught up in politics.

 

Certainly, the stark contrast with the Bush's pathetic "Heck of a job, Brownie!" ludicrous praise of an incompetent political hack contributed to Obama's advantage, but Willard never had a realistic chance despite the TPs' nutty delusion.

 

Natty Bumpo.... your reply over on another similar thread to this one is so exceptionally well written that I am copying and pasting you in full here...…

http://www.politicalforum.com/elections-campaigns/296269-2016-u-s-election-thread-35.html
(post #341).....

Now...… to disagree with you somewhat.......... The Alpha Program, near death experiences and other factors are having an intriguing effect on mainstream Christianity........ (at least up here in Canada anyway)!

In my area six completely different churches.... some Pentecostal.... some Baptist.. some United... some Anglican (Episcopalian in the USA)… some Catholic.... all got together in my area......… and the effect is pretty amazing and could play a significant role in turning around the election in 2016.

Christianity........ actually is becoming somewhat more inclusive............. which will make them somewhat better at diplomacy..... and a few percentage points can make a big difference on election night!

 

Would you be more inclined to vote for him if he chose Dr. Ben Carson for his running mate?

http://www.politicalforum.com/elect...wagering-money-ben-carson-2016-primaries.html

Bet Mitt Romney's $10K wagering money...Ben Carson in 2016 Primaries

 

Willard and Bones can boast a total of one term in political office between them, and that makes them damned near as qualified as gasbag radio entertainers for some Repubs.

Individual Mandate Man's close encounter with governance was a dalliance of yore. He may be waiting for his beeper to signal him that he's the one for '16 - and retrogression does have an allure for that bunch. Whether Willard can recapture that old Herbert Hoover magic is another matter.

Benny "One Note" Carson does have the right position on health care in one significant respect: He had noted (for the ironically-yclept "American Thinker") that, "The entire concept of for profits for the insurance companies makes absolutely no sense; the first thing we need to do is get rid of for-profit insurance companies!"

Getting the grasping fingers of the profiteers who treat and cure no one out of the system is a damned good start to significantly reduce the soaring costs - andt o eliminating the $250 billion taxpayer subsidy that sustains employer-administered plans, one that neither WillardCare nor its nationalized version have confronted.

Unfortunatey, Benny's lucidity does not extend to encompass many other issues.



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Perhaps he would make a great V. P. even if he stuck to the one subject that he knows best&#8230;&#8230; after all&#8230;.. . all of us influential boomers are concerned about health plus longevity.

 

Just as I would designate Randy Paul the Foreign Policy President, I would welcome the appointment of Bones as National Health Insurance Czar.

All God's Children Got a Place in the Choir!

 

Yes&#8230;.. and now if "conservatives" could get motivated to back him up&#8230;.. it might be surprising what all they could accomplish?!

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...ations-should-print-their-own-currencies.html
Large churches in democratic nations should print their own currencies.
www.CalgaryDollars.ca/
is a good example of how several dozen socially active residents of an area can begin what amounts to a second tier to the economy.

The Ithaca Hour is an excellent example of a similar concept being applied in the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithaca_Hours

Most North American churches have a desire to assist the poor and the oppressed. Well&#8230;.. in 2014 efforts by a group of socially active Christians could easily transform dozens of homeless people into actors&#8230;.. who are playing the role of homeless people&#8230;.. and the specific efforts to help them could becomes scenes in a series of documentary and reality films designed to give the homeless people a job that finances their getting an apartment or at least a group home.

Most of us are unaware of the Worgl, Austria local currency experiment that was conducted during the Great Depression and how successfully it was copied in hundreds of communities in the USA. As a matter of fact&#8230;&#8230; it looks like what these communities accomplished played a significant role in inspiring the USA government to alter the monetary system in many positive ways.

http://www.whatcomwatch.org/php/WW_open.php?id=717

 

Only in the wacky world of Republican presidential politics can you find a right wing fantasy website quoting another right wing fantasy website quoting a show biz media entertainer who had quit her political job in 2009 kibitzing from the party's star chambre peanut gallery about some dude who has been unemployed since 2006, and referencing (of course) a beloved children's fairy tale!

Of course, Ms P's quips are a perennial source of delight. Did you catch her theological revelation shtick?

"When Jesus celebrated Easter with his disciples there were no Easter bunnies or egg hunts.
There were no Easter sales at department stores or parades in the street!"​

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"Party hardy, Fun Seekers!"​

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Carson will be IN the 2016 Primarires....he won't win a single Primary. Bet you the National Debt on that.

 

There's a reason it's called the "Echo Chamber".....

Rush Limbaugh discusses a link from Drudge to a Fox News story about Sarah Palin quoting Breitbart News about a interview Beck's The Blaze TV did with Rush Limbaugh.

And the ditto-heads say "See? An unbiased news source confirms what Rush said."