Kremlin disinformation trolls flood social media

MOD EDIT - Off Topic
AS to the OP.
Its not like nations, political parties of all stripes and corporate entities don't do exactly the same thing.
the internet is full of political and corporate trolls of EVERY persuasion (except maybe luddites ).

 

Well not in quite the fashion I've ever seen here and I've been posting on such forums since 99. I've never seen it as quite as well organised nor as voluminous as what we are currently witnessing from Russia. Its so ham fisted and obvious its laughable. Only a totalitarian regime could ever think it was possible to get away with this without anybody noticing what they were trying to do

 

Here you go…I’ll just take the liberty to quote another poster in response. He perfectly described you.

As for another guy who continually keeps quoting The New York Times as the paragon on truth. Give people a break and grow up. Read the whole article in its entirety. If you have a modicum of intelligence you would figure out how deceiving and manipulating The New York Times is. A propaganda outlet. As simple as that.

The New York Times is an Organ of the U.S. Security State

Exclusive: In crises ranging from the Iraq War to civil conflicts in Syria and Ukraine, the New York Times has steadily transformed itself into a propaganda organ, promoting false U.S. government narratives rather than providing objective information to its readers, as Robert Parry observes again.

By Robert Parry

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/09/nyt-protects-the-fogh-machine/

 

CIA and Mossad have been doing the same for decades. It's called battling in the information arena. I think it is healthy for both sides of the conflict to get out their sides of the story in this matter. The western media has been churning out a one sided pack of crap in all international conflicts for years. Quit whining and engage in debate which is the sole purpose of this excellent forum. It is hilarious to read these complaints from all of the zio-shill trolls who have been living on these message boards since the internet has existed. I say HA Ha HA!

 

Yes but theres a difference. They didn't all join en mass at the same time and only ever comment on one issue. One joined just last week and has made 250 pro Russian anti Western posts all on Ukraine already and he's not alone. Most Western posters don't try and hide behind flags of convenience in an attempt to pose as something they are not whilst doing it either. I've never seen anything quite as well organised as this

 

Bravo !!!. I love you Jeannette!!! You precisely noticed bias and legal illiteracy of the New York Times. Geneva Convention can sign only independent country. United States recognized the of Donetsk People's Republic ? NYT edition - edition for stupid sheep.

 

This is good, not bad and others have to learn, the truth is marching on. We must be realistic, Russia and Ukraine are inseparable. Poroshenko and his Maidan government are aliens in Ukraine. Without massive help from the West they cannot win and the West is reluctant to provide necessary resources for the Maidan ruled Kiev. Now, we will see tortuous negotiations between Kiev and Moscow, more fighting and new cracks in EU and "sanctions".

 

Russia and Ukraine are separate countries 92.3% of Ukrainians voted for it 1991 and want to it to stay that way

Thanks for providing me the perfect example of what I was talking about in the OP. You fit the profile perfectly

 

Yes, absolutely.

I think that in the interest of free and open debate that you should state what to think is true.

Which posters do you think are not just forcefully trying to explain their own belief as to what is true, and are instead trying to obscure the facts and disrupt debate?

Name names and briefly provide what you think is evidence. If not all 8 or more, maybe just who you believe to be the top 2 or 4.

 

+1, + check put the last election

 

MOD EDIT - Rule 2 you dont even know how Ukrainians hate mascovites nowadays

 

You do realize things have changed in the last 23 years. right. Obviously they have from the referendum voting numbers in Crimea.
The people of Donbas have a right to vote on their on future same as Scotland or any of the 26 states in the US who are trying to get enough votes for secession. Why would you think they don't have those same rights? It is illogical.

 

Flogger, where have you gone?

As I said before, Yes, I'd love to see you list at least a couple of names.

You wouldn't have to explain anything. Just put the numbers mentioned in the link below next to their names, so we can see who you think is trying to spread disinformation or stifle accurate information in this forum

We can all assess the charges you make, and it will be a breath of fresh air!

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/08/the-15-rules-of-internet-disinformation.html

 

How does the above square with your contention that 'you know who' - who is an articulate and educated poster - is a Kremlin-paid troll? Also she donates to this board. Frankly, I think your accusations regarding this particular poster are unfounded.

 

I actually never actually specified the poster in question in order to spare their blushes but it was Kiwi 33 so go check him out

 

I'll PM you the culprits if you wish and you can check them out for yourself

 

No because that might get me in hot water with the Mods . PM me if you want me to name names

 

Firstly information operations have been part of warfare for a hundred years at least and it is a nonsense to think that only one side does it. There is "American disinformation just as much, if not perhaps more so than "Kremlin disinformation".

Furthermore America has a track record of lying to the media and the world - witness the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Remember "WMD", "Sadaam was involved in 911", "Uranium from Niger", "Aluminium tubes" and a host of other disinformation. We should therefore look very closely at all pronouncements, not only for their content but also exactly where they came from and when. Some "sources" are known for their bad behaviour, starting with the New York Times and Washington Post.

Personallly, my opinion is that the Russian Government communications are coherent and have a ring of truth, in the sense that they do not appear to make wild claims that aren't eventually corroborated by events on the ground.

As for trolls, the best way of spotting them is a little traffic analysis; do they post continuously for Eight or so hours at a time, often posts being only a few minutes apart? Do they post for Five days out of Seven, suggesting paid employment as a troll? Does their history show that they concentrate exclusively on a single subject like the Israeli Hasbara operatives here? Do they suddenly go blank for months until a new crisis appears? Do their postings always echo the official Government line without expressing a shadow of doubt? They aren't really hard to spot if you look.

 

Which is exactly what I have done in order to come to my conclusions and initiated this thread as a consequence. I've been posting on forums like this for 15 years and never witnessed anything like this

 

Classic KGB op.

I said that before and as usual the lefties here gave me a hard time. But this is a classic KGB op: Misinformation, disinformation, agitators on the other side of the border, just enough military presence to scare the Ukraine... .....lies, fear, and intimidation.

Oh, but remember what that idiot Obama told Romney when Romney said Russia was a major threat? He said, "The 80's called and they want their foreign policy back." Ha ha. Very funny. Obama is such a pathetic moron. Republicans are always proven right in the end, and when they are, nobody pays attention.

 

I don't want to be in on any secrets. Just lay out your opinions for all to see. I think that's what we're here for, and the moderators seem to just delete what they think they need to.

And for the sake of honesty I'll have to say that I thought that you hit BINGO in the 15 Rules of Internet Disinformation in the Original Post. It could mean nothing whatsoever, but I thought that you got most of the numbers.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/08/the-15-rules-of-internet-disinformation.html

 

Bush is a republican- a splendid example of dishonesty and stupidity. Bush was a chimp, as you may remember.

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Flogger is hopeless. He is cornered!

 

Absolutely in agreement. There are two sides to every coin. If you observe carefully there is also another team on this forum which continually spews the US propaganda. No matter the amount of facts or evidence, they continue posting their lines ad nauseum.

What's more anyone with a modicum of intelligence could easily figure out after Snowden's revelations which side actually wants to control the internet, private as well as public domain and where is the main threat coming from. So let's not be hypocritical. Incidentally, I urge anyone who stands up for freedom and truth to keep pursing MH17 story. We simply cannot let them get away with it. The investigators, both from Britain and Holland owe public answers.

 

Excellent, thank you for posting. We all have right to know what exactly happened with MH17? Is the truth still marching on? Yes, some posters just ignore any news and historical or current facts, pushing their preconceived agenda.

 

Whatever credibility the U.S. had in the world, is now lost completely. The Netherlands is fearful the U.S. will invade if an American is found guilty at the Hague, and Malaysia feels the U.S. shot their plane as punishment for finding two Americans guilty of war crimes.

I know both these things are ridiculous, so it's time our government came clean...who are they protecting, or what are they protecting?