Most Americans Believe in Obama's ISIS Plan, but Not in Him

your excuses for losing are amusing

again with the fairy tales

 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/23/politics/us-syrian-rebels/
Really almost a year ago he did want to arm the rebels.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/13/us-confirms-chemical-weapons-syria/2420763/
Don't you remember the Obama red line goof up?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...cf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html
How many more do you need?

 

Well, then electing him POTUS twice was sort of a strange thing for them to do then wasn't it?

 

of course you don't want to admit that mccain is an idiot

 

No.. the Saudis have NEVER funded terrorists.. In fact they put terrorists in prison and freeze their assets if they are found out.

The pundits always kill me.. When they hit the wall and don't know they always quack "Saudi Arabia".

 

McCain is getting old and all he knows is full scale war.. He can't help it.

For those twerps who want guarantees when geopolitical problems arise, they should buy a toaster.. because toasters do come with guarantees.. Real men, cautious and brave men don't always know the outcome and they just do they best they can.

 

The president or the president's party make no difference. Our wars are declared and directed from Tel Aviv via AIPAC and the neocon-dominated Defense Policy Board in the Pentagon. About time you paid some attention, doncha think? The N. Koreans could be landing in San Francisco and those boys wouldn't be able to give a (*)(*)(*)(*) less as long as F-16s were bombing Arabs.

The Chinese could be swarming the streets of Seattle but the headlines would be "ISIS Crucifies Christian Missionary". See how that works?

 

Well yes, as people Right of Center pointed out to the rest of the nation at the time. But would the average Dem Party low-information voter listen to reason? No. Sigh! So . . . it . . . goes.

 

Well you can tell the low information voters on either side.. you see them on PF every day.. They never ponder the facts, they just react to their own "beliefs" and prejudices.

 

Sure, but you are supposed to pretend that your side does not have that problem, or that it's at least no where as large or as out of control as it is on the other side. I mean there are political proprieties!

But whimsy aside, obviously neither party could exist without their share of chronic low-information voters being their firmly established go-to voting block. I, for instance, was not best-pleased when G.W. Bush got re-elected in 2004. Even though I think that Kerry would be an incompetent bungler of a president, I still to this day think that the entire nation would have been better off had Kerry replaced G.W. Bush in that election cycle, just as I know that the nation would have been better off had Romney replaced Obama.

But what happened . . . happened, and Barack is the Commander-in-Chief in the here and now. Personally I think that he just might end up doing a relatively good job as War President, but if so then that will be because most of the important decisions will be taken out of his hands due to the pressure of circumstances. He has only so many options available to him and since some of them will so very clearly be 'move forward in some manner or totally fail' options not even he can screw that up.

 

That pretty much sums up my position. To be fair, I felt the same way about Bush Jr.





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Are you reading impaired? I wrote that there are low information voters on each side.

Kerry? NO... nor McCain and Palin..

We need better candidates not just the lesser of two idiots.

 

That opening sentence of your response is amusing considering that I agreed with you that both sides have low-information voters.

 

The poll cited in the OP said that 61% of the respondents supported the President's decision to "take action". I wonder what percentage support his decision to ignore military leaders and make all tactical decisions himself.
If I supported taking military action I would tend to support listening to the military leaders and not a community organizer in way over his pay grade.

 

[video=youtube;NtZWwgw__WY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtZWwgw__WY[/video]

 

Well, if you insist……..

The snow blew by, outside the corner of dujac’s visor.

Laird dujac served night watch, outside a large stone keep castle.

Inside the halls of the castle, there emanated the sounds of merry-making and laughter. The other knights and noblemen feasted on roast pig and fatted lamb, and drank mead and bier by the gallons. Music and hilarity prevailed inside, while dujac kept watch outside, next to a small fire.

The squeal of bar-wenches could be heard amid the noise and the ruckus inside. dujac turned and contemplated the warm and willing camp followers who were drawn to the company of noble warriors and fighting men, and grinned wryly.

Such was life. We all did our duty standing night watch, and so tonight was mine and dujac’s turn. Many was the night we had enjoyed the company of those good men, and many was the night that we had shared the beds of the camp followers and the romantic wanderers.

dujac stamped his feet by the fire, and kicked the snow drift away from the firewood he had gathered there. He tended the twigs and sticks, and made a respectable fire once again from small embers.

By the light of the fire, dujac checked his weapons. His broadsword was dry and secure in its sheath, and a short pull revealed a reflection of the flames in its polished steel. His dagger and crossbow were in a similar state of readiness.

dujac looked out into the dark and snowy countryside.
The homeland was under a constant threat of invaders and crusaders, and so it was that rough men like dujac and myself and others stood ready.
We were happy and proud to serve, and considered ourselves the lucky ones, for having the privilege of knowing such a life.

The horse snorted, and tramped his feet briefly.
dujac pulled him closer to the fire, and checked his harness and straps.
He secured the blanket over the horse, and hugged him around the neck for warmth. The horse dozed, and snored softly.

Suddenly a branch snapped in the near woods, and dujac turned with a wary gaze.

Soft, ghostly voices whispered among the pines and echoed across the snow-covered plain.
Disembodied, furtive whispers of another age, another time.

“The Ancient Ones,” dujac uttered. “Fie, we are in no shape to deal with them this night!”

I stepped into close company, and whispered, “Brother dujac. All is quiet on the high quarter. What goes here? What is that noise?”

dujac turned with a wry grin. “The beginning of a long night for us, mate. Go alert the good knights, and return forthwith."

He inhaled deeply, and then paused. "And make haste, for we do not have long.”

 

of course you don't get it

 

No, they just fund Islamic extremism overseas which in turn produces terrorists....

 

I love a good fantasy...

 

So the pundits say... however, they build mosques for existing Muslim congregation all over the world... They do NOT provide them with Imams..

They also funding New Orleans hospitals in the wake of Katrina to the tune of $350 million and another $30 to Gulf Coast shrimpers.

 

I contend the world would be better with less of their charity coupled with less of the Wahhabi extremism.

 

Oh spare me... You don't know any Wahhabis.

 

No need to get to know them or want to. History reads the actions Wahhabis have played even for the impartial. It is a very narrow view of Islam and gave birth to extremism after the fall of the orthodox ottoman empire. Muhammad ibn Abd-al Wahhab was a purist in every sense.

The extremists who have turned militant declare war against anyone with viewpoints contrary to theirs; thus, declaration of war against a government is commonplace. In Egypt, they oppose their government. Similarly in Jordan, they oppose their government. In Syria, Pakistan, Algeria, and many other countries "Wahhabi-minded" groups oppose their governments as they have begun to do in the Caucasus and Central Asia.

The approach of these movements is to infiltrate mosques, Islamic teaching centers, and charitable organizations from where they indoctrinate religiously oriented people with their ideas and methods. They forcefully impose their views on weak societies, in hopes of conquering one and establishing a base for further control. They justify their militant acts and illegal means of financing their cause by claiming to wage a "jihad" for the preservation of Islam.

Why the fondness?

 

Al Wahhab wanted to rid Islam of all the innovations that had crept in to Islam during the Ottoman Empire and to rid the Arabian Paninsula of the Turks and their garrisons.

I just lived around Wahhabis for a couple of decades.

 

This says several things on several different levels.

The first is that the nation has lost faith in Obama in foreign policy and especially in the middle east. While it restores my faith in the democratic system where even the moron voted gets at least the mist of the idea, it is troubling, deeply so. Any leader facing the rigors of war needs the majority of the nation behind him. FDR held off joining WWII because he knew the nation was divided on the issue and pushing in that direction would divide the nation more so, and he would be fighting on two fronts.

Obama believes he is god and does not need congressional backing, another terrible mistake. To have done so, to have garnered even grudging support from a few congressmen, he would have the political support he needed. The less than brilliant George Bush rallied congress and the nation so well, he fooled them a year or so later went he went hunting for WMD's.

So the nation is terrified with ISIS and the whole ideology of needing to "fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" after having been bombarded with visuals of atrocities aimed at horrifying not the least of which was 1,287,954, 235 viewings on a free lance pro-war journalist being beheaded. They want to feel "safe" after 13 years of being told terrorists are everywhere. And Obama has done everything in his power to show that he is out of his league.

Yeah, I'd be nervous too. And I would be objecting to boots on the ground too even though I know this war will never be "won" without them...and the real sad news...the US is going to have to be in Iraq for a long, long time to come. It's the penalty for premature withdrawal.