Steven Hawking COMES OUT! I am an atheist, SCIENCE is more convincing than GOD!

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  1. 10A

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    You falsely assume they have to come here for us to detect them.
     
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    Of the 15 quotes of my comment thus far ...yours is the dumbest.

    Everybody else managed to make a comment on insightful extension of scientific methodology or on faith in general but you chose to insult Christians (as if Christians are the only reglious group that believes in a God) and declare their beliefs fantasy.

    Shame on you.
     
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    We've been reading radio signals for a century. That means any transmission that we could read would have to have been made within 100 light years of us, discounting the disruption stellar radiation would have.

    And again, space is big.
     
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    Mr. Hawking is simply saying (as he has said numerous times before) that science has shown that the Universe could have happened the way it did without the helping hand of a divine being.

    Thats not to say that there is no God. It's saying that the Universe didn't need God to create itself.
     
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    I'm half a scientist (engineer) and i'll tell you that you can live your life without god, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

    kind of like how chris rock said you can drive your car with your feet, doesn't make it a good idea.

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    I think it makes it a whole lot less interesting when you subtract god
     
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    Oh I definitely believe that if there is advanced life "close" to us that they will seek us, but it will probably be for our resources, and to conquer us.

    Just take our solar system as an example. Of all the planets, ours is by far, far the best for supporting life. There are other planets we have detected that could support life, but nothing that yet compares to earth. I believe we are far more of a jewel than you might realize. I think most any advanced form of life is looking at terra as something to take, rather than something to help.
     
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    So is saying that there is an infinite number of universes and we just live in one if the ones that can support life which is a very low probability.
     
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    Although neither has yet been proven, there is more evidence for aliens than for God.
     
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    Since Hawkings scientific explination is that there are an infinite number of universes and we just hapoen to be in one that has the physical constants to support life then there must also be a god. If there are an infinite number of universes and you say that we just happen to live in one of ghe infinite number that can support life then there must also be an infinite number of universes with an entity or entities powerful enough to create life. So we could just as easily be living in one of those universes.

    When you start playing with infinity things get really tricky.

    In another universe Hawking is one of the most brilliant minds to ever walk the earth. However, in this universes is a hack who has parlayed a medical condition into a media creation that covers up for an unimpressive scientific career. A brief history if time was obe of tge briefest waste of my life ever. If you so mych have tajen even s passing interest in theoretical physics you will learn nothing new fron that book. Its crap. Of course it appeals to liberals its so dumbed down and poorly written they can read it and think that they are smart.
     
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    Man that's terrible, all those preachers, pointing a gun to your head, drowning you in regulations, taking half or more of your income. We should put a stop to that.

    To the topic, the question "Is there a god?" is not the really interesting or relevant one, "How to define god?" is much more interesting IMO.
     
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    There is no such concept as 'proof' in the scientific method.
     
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    Not so, it's an old argument (from design) and it's worn out from over-use as well as being completely demolished.

    There is life on Earth because there can be. Everything has exists because it can exist. Simply because something exists or lives doesn't imply purpose. It implies the ability or potential to exist or live. The process of living, existing, looks like it's purposeful but it isn't, it's only possible, not purposeful.

    A Creator is speculation unproven. It's a nice, neat explanation for everything yet it proves nothing.
     
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    Really? Science produced the computer you're using. What have preachers ever produced other than hot air and rhetoric-and idiotic, baseless assertions?
     
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    Complete and utter nonsense. Some ancient book tells you this is a fact and you accept it without question? Because...?
     
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    Since man invented the concept of 'gods'-and there are thousands of them-there is no logic in your assertion.
    The difference between a religious adherent and a scientist is simple; as a believer in the supernatural god myth you accept, without question, what you are told. Scientists aren't quite as gullible; they question and seek answers.
     
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    "How to define god"? Simple; a man-made construct designed to explain to the ignorant what everything is. Thunder? God is angry. A flower? Isn't it beautiful? See, science couldn't have made that therefore god did. Simplistic 'explanations' for simpletons.
     
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    Except that the exoplanet search has already turned up dozens of planets in Goldilocks zones and we've only been searching for a few months. There is no reason to assume that Earth's resources are all that rare.

    Besides a species advanced enough to cross great interstellar distances and survive would be advanced enough to take raw resources and turn uninhabitable worlds into habitable ones.
     
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    that's his theory

    and he cites gravity as the reason- who created gravity?

    or, he cites that the universe created itself because it needed to exist...........yeah, some big intellectual there
     
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    very well said and you nailed it
     
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    Figures, the same group that says lets respect race, lets respect culture, lets respect ethnic differences, Lets respect Gays, Lets respect Atheist. The same group that calls for equality and understanding is the key to a wonderful society of tolerance and wisdom is the same group of forum posters who will (*)(*)(*)(*) on religion and faith.

    Hypocrites.
     
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    I've had a number of paranormal experiences in my life. At about 21 years old I had what might be called a "cosmic experience" attaining higher levels of consciousness through meditation and prayer!

    What I can tell you from what I went through is there is a higher power, or God if you will, and it's way beyond human understanding! Comparing human intellect to the higher power is like comparing human intelligence to insects! It's no wonder most people can't understand "God"!

    One of the major bits of information I was shown back in my early 20's is "God" expresses itself in totality and sees itself as pure being (existential)! It expresses itself in totality with no separation between what it created and itself!

    That's a little bit of insight for you. Thought I'd pass it along.

    Personally it doesn't matter to me if people believe in "God" or not, nothing changes! The earth revolved around the Sun long before people realized it! It didn't matter what people thought! The fact the Sun was the center of the solar system was what was going on!

    I have a web site with more info on some things I experienced if your interested.

    http://www.seizingwallstreet.com/AboutMe.html
     
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    Well, considering belief in non-existent fairies is the height of absurdity in modern society, I'd say the devout god-botherers are leaving themselves wide open to ridicule. They never seem to be able to answer this simple question; 'why do you believe in gods?'
     
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    Yeah, pretty much. If there's no way to test a proposition, then it's worse than useless because it discourages people from looking. I speculate that there might be some way to test the multiverse proposal, or at least not rule it out. Testing the gods is, of course, not allowed.
     
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    I'm just curious, does it bother you that you have a devout Christian President, and a devout Catholic Vice President? You seem like you hate religion...do you hate them too? Or did you vote for these weirdos who believe in sky fairies?
     
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    I believe in a higher being, aliens, and all sorts of crazy (*)(*)(*)(*). I do not believe in any man made religion though. Toodles.
     

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