Who killed Jesus Christ?

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  1. Right Wing

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    The Romans, the Jewish leaders, sinners in general, or who else?
     
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    The Sandedrin and the Roman soldiers.
     
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    Constantine I.
     
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    What do you mean by 'sinners'?
     
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    Historians and scientist.
     
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    His PR manager?

    Ask yourself, who gains the most from Jesus' death? Follow the money from the temple and no doubt you'll find the real killer.
     
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    If I was a Christian I would have to say God, or at least he was culpable, it was the plan wasn't it that Jesus would die to take away original sin?
    Because I do not understand this trinity stuff, I am not sure if god didn't kill himself. Which begs the question, was it suicide?
     
  8. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    What does the Bible say?

    1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 (CEV) =
    [SUP]"14 [/SUP]My friends, you did just like God’s churches in Judea and like the other followers of Christ Jesus there. And so, you were mistreated by your own people, in the same way they were mistreated by their people.

    [SUP]15 [/SUP]Those Jews killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and they even chased us away. God doesn’t like what they do and neither does anyone else. [SUP]16 [/SUP]They keep us from speaking his message to the Gentiles and from leading them to be saved. The Jews have always gone too far with their sins. Now God has finally become angry and will punish them."

    Straight from the horse's mouth.
     
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    The Gospel of John has all the details

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    God killed himself. Committed suicide. Because he knew he couldn't really be killed. So it was a show, a play.

    But god can't be killed. If it makes no sense, you just need to cultivate faith.

    Some advice. Limit such faith to things like this. Never use this faith to step off a skyscraper thinking it will allow you to be immune to gravity. So, it only works in matters like religion.
     
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    Your mother.
     
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    an all knowing God can not be killed, if Jesus was killed, than he wasn't a God
     
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    Perhaps nobody, as there is evidence he is a mythical character
     
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    Is Jesus alive today? If he is then no one killed him. If he's dead then the Jews killed him as it says in 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16.
     
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    God killed Jesus Christ.
     
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    The Romans, we can tell that because he was crucified, which penalty the Romans reserved for political crimes, meaning sedition. The Jews killed those convicted of religious crimes by stoning. For the Romans to crucify someone for a religious crime because the Jews asked them to would be unheard of, not just because the Romans wouldn't do it, but it would probably make the Jews rebel if they did. Jesus was obviously some sort of revolutionary and this was very important to his followers at the time or they wouldn't have so emphasized the Crucifixion, which makes no sense otherwise. The politics was lost over time though.
     
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    If we have broken all of God's laws, and He is just, how does He forgive us and continue to be just?

    Proverbs 17:15
    Romans 3

    There is only one way. God would take the guilt and sin of the wicked upon Himself and satisfy His justice. God poured out His wrath toward sin on Christ. Christ suffered the full punishment of divine justice.

    Our sins were not paid for because of what the Romans did to Jesus, but what God did to Jesus.

    "My God my God why have you forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46

    Christ suffered for our abandonment. Christ bore our sins, was cut off from God and was crushed by God.

    Isaiah 53
     
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    It seems excessive to sacrifice a person just because someone eats shellfish and tuna salad.
     
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    as if that's all the naughty people did!

    they also mixed fabrics and picked up sticks on the wrong day. that certainly justifies the blood sacrifice of the best human who ever lived (allegedly). killing your best work painfully and brutally seems very reasonable, I think. I mean I'd do it, for such crimes..

    and they wonder why we're godless heathens.
     
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    In order for God to forgive us while maintaining His justice, God needed to take His wrath out on sin. So He poured His wrath toward sin out on Christ who lived the life we couldn't live and died the death we deserve to die.

    I know a blood sacrifice was necessary (Hebrews 9:22)(Isaiah 53:5), but it seems often times people focus on the physical punishment more than Christ's separation from God and bearing the wrath of God poured out on Christ for our wickedness.

    The sacrifice of Jesus Christ was a substitutionary sacrifice and atonement for sin. Christ died in the place of the believing sinner. Christ suffered for the believer’s punishment. Christ endured the divine wrath for all that His people ought to have suffered as a result of sin. “Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect?” Not God because He has justified the believing sinner for the reason that Christ died in his place and suffered his punishment.

    C. H. Spurgeon said it correctly: “My hope is not because I am not a sinner, but because I am a sinner for whom Christ died. My trust is not that I am holy, but that, being unholy, Christ died for me. My rest is, here, not in what I am, or shall be, or feel, or know, but in what Christ is and must be,--in what Christ did, and is still doing as He stands before yonder throne of glory.”

    My hope is built upon Jesus’ blood and righteousness alone.

    Jesus Christ saves us by vicariously enduring the penalty to which we were exposed. “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us” (Galatians 3:13).

    Moreover, in the process of redeeming us, He purchased us with His own blood and set us free.

    Man broke God’s law and came under the penalty of sin, which is death (Rom. 3:23). “The wages of sin is death . . .” (6:23). Man’s sin exposed him to divine punishment (Rom. 1:18; Isa. 53:6; Jer. 17:9; Psa. 14:3; Rom. 1:18-32; 5:10; 8:7; Col. 1:21). We all stand guilty before a holy God. However, God’s love makes the propitiating sacrifice (Rom. 5:6, 8). God did punish sin by making His Son a curse (Gal. 3:13; Rom. 3:25-26; 5:8). Christ, who was sinless, suffered vicariously for sinful men (2 Cor. 5:21). His resurrection proved that He was the sinless Son of God (Rom. 1:4). The resurrection of Jesus Christ proves that God accepted His vicarious substitutionary atonement on behalf of sinful man.

    What is very clear in both the Old and New Testaments is that God provided the sacrifice. The important truth taught in the Word of God is that sinful man does not do anything to obtain forgiveness. God took the initiative to save the sinner from beginning to end. God provided the only acceptable sacrifice for sin. The sacrifice was a work of God for man, not the other way around.

    When the life was given up, a death occurred (Lev. 17:11). The shedding of blood, the giving up of life symbolized a violent death. The central act in a sacrifice was the shedding of blood. “Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins” (Hebrews 9:22). The death of Jesus Christ on the cross provides atonement for the sinner.
     
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    If God created the universe then he created sin and corrupted his creation. He's therefore unworthy of worship and should be cast out into the outer darkness and forgotten by man.
     
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    If Jesus actually existed, and if the Bible is in any way factual, the death of Jesus can be blamed on a conspiracy between some of the Jewish leadership, the Roman rulers, and some in the crowd who called for Jesus Bar-Abbas to be freed rather than Jesus Bar-Yosef.
     
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    The Roman government at the behest of the religious leaders of the day -- the Pharisees. They so hated the teachings of the Messiah that their blood lust got the better of them and they chose to murder an innocent man while letting a hardened criminal go free.
     
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    It is not surprising that we find blood sacrifice in the OT. The Israelites practiced child sacrifice for most of their History. What is strange however is that you think the God of Abraham would encourage this practice because this was a God who forbid the practice of child sacrifice.

    Your quotes from Paul do not help much because Paul did not even know Jesus, did not know much about his life or miracles, and did not believe in a physical resurrection. Then you give a quote from Hebrews which Paul did not even write.

    In any case. If God thought sacrificing children was OK in the new testament then why did he ban the practice in the OT ? This does not seem to make any sense.
     
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    The God character admitted that he told the dummies to kill their children and that they were stupid enough to have done it. They were supposed to have been smart enough not to have done it. But then the God character sacrifices his own son so it seems that the God character has a cosmic load of his own severe mental illnesses. The issue really brings into question Genesis 3:22. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 3:22&version=NIV;CEB;CEV;NKJV;MSG
     

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