Judge Wants To Force A Printer To Make Pro-Gay T-Shirts

I'm implying that discriminating against minority groups isn't okay because your religion says so. They aren't getting a gay marriage so it's not like it's even a sin according to even a conservative interpretation of the bible.

But really, I don't think religion is an excuse for anything. I'm an ex Christian, so it's not like I haven't seen the issue from both sides. Even as a Christian I felt that it wasn't right to try to force injustices upon people because of my beliefs.

 

what you fail to understand he isn't refusing to do business with the customer because the customer is gay he is refusing to print a pro gay message on a t-shirts

if that same customer wanted "I love cats" printed on a t-shirt im sure the business owner would be glad to take that order

 

what you don't understand is that if there is a law against discrimination where the printer is then this could be considered discrimination......

 

discrimination against people not against what the customer wants
then a Muslim run catering business can be charged with discrimination to refuse to serve what a non Muslim customer wants if that customer wants pork to be served, a Jewish business that refuses to print swastikas for a customer, or a anti-gun advocate refusing to print a pro gun message on a shirt for a customer

 

I don't see how they can make the printer not do business UNLESS the printer gets some federal (maybe state secured) loans, tax credits, etc. Otherwise, I can't imagine how that judge can tell them who they can print for or not. I wouldn't even try!

Now having said that, I made voice heard in marketplace. I had a supplier who sent out a memo to our industry saying they would NOT print any pro-gay, LBGT materials (for the same reasons as the printer above). I called this supplier and told them they would never get one single order from me as long as they had that policy. That was 20 years ago. And I haven't sent one order to them since their pronouncement. I have a long memory.

 

I agree, but according to this judge if Adamson tells him why he won't take their business, he has to take it. Doesn't make sense to me.

 

Another angle - How is printing a t-shirt any different from printing a book? Freedom of the press? Same thing, different media.

 

I think the appropriate parallel here is if a local phone company refused to carry phone calls of Republicans. The ruling would be that the phone company is a "common carrier", not responsible for the messages passed over the phone and not permitted to censor them. The business in this case is printing messages on T-shirts rather than providing phone service, the the same principle applies.

I don't know how far this ought to extend. If, for example, people are using the phone service to plan a crime, the phone company is not liable. If the T-shirt printer is hired to print obscene messages, would it be the customer and not the printer who would be breaking the law?

But I don't see this as being a religious issue at all.

 

You have to believe in what they believe....

 

So you are saying your religious freedom gives you the freedom to discriminate?? That is one of the many reason religious (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) have ruined this country. Lemme know when all those fairy tales the sheep headers wrote about come true lol! Tip most of us stopped believing in bull(*)(*)(*)(*) fairy tales along time ago. We would rather be good to all people not just people who give money to a bunch of fraudsters that cry every time they do not get their way

 

I'm not sure what's worse here - the printer's bigotry or the court's response.

 

Being shut out of society and denied rights and privileges because of your orientation is a loss of freedom.

 

I'm an agnostic atheist, so you fail just like you always do. I'm simply pointing out your hypocrisy. Your religious-like devotion to left-wing politics and, specifically, the Democrat Party, is almost indecipherable from a religious follower.

You slam Christianity and Christians because they don't fight back. You're a coward. You wouldn't say any of that to a Muslim. You'd defend their religion, actually, armed with labels like "bigotry" and "Islamophobia". You're the type that gives atheists and agnostics a bad name.

 

They want to turn it into the Collectivist States of America, and I've gotta give them credit: Their propaganda has been tremendously effective.

 

Mr Adamson should tell him special orders like this must be paid in full on request and stipulate that the orders must come in numbers of 5000 units . Take the $ close the business the minute sweet cheeks leaves and open up under another name the next day.

 

What a bunch of bull(*)(*)(*)(*) try again

 

Cite the case laws. Show me the law that says you can't do that. Remember a few months back there was a restraint who would give a huge discount to those who praised before eating. There was another one who would do the same thing for those who carried a gun in the open. About 10 years ago in NYC there was a guy who refused to give service to people who didn't speak English. Every legal group said that they were in the clear. So what is different here? The answer is there isn't.

 

.
Effective or has it just moved the true feelings about the matter underground . They can make all the laws they want but they can't make people like something they don't. What people didn't really care about before is now being forced us by laws and inherently people will fester a stronger hate in regards to it.

 

What he should have done was sorry we're not taking on any new projects at this time. Or charge them up the ass for it and cite a huge number required to complete the project.

 

They are free to take their business to anyone who will do it. They don't have a right to force somebody to work for them. Although, we could clear the welfare rolls this way.

 

Yep, simple as that. No controversy, or religious or philosophical or political debate..no liberal judges making agenda promoting decisions.."sorry sweets, our equipment is on the fritz".

 

People like you must learn that my religion rights are on the same level as any other individual right. Your supposed right to be able to tell a business they have to serve you doens't trump my religious right to say no. I'm tired of people thinking that because they disagree with religion, anyone that does is automatically a bigot.

 

being shut out of society and denied rights and privileges because of your religious beliefs is a loss of freedom

 

For Pete's sake, when is this crap going to end. Look, I am queer, but really, why do we have to have judges intervene and do this crap. A business should have the right to refuse service to anybody for any reason. Anti discrimination laws aren't really a good thing. There are other shirt makers in the world, go to them. What is the need for this revenge?

They don't approve of homosexuality, breaking them isn't going to make others obey.

Homosexuals represent a small minority, it doesn't matter how many courts side with homosexuals in this case, it's not going to help them in the long run. I imagine there will even be protests for laws allowing for businesses to discriminate against homosexuals.

They didn't face any loss, they didn't face any damages they just had their feelings hurt.

in This case I can see the religion argument being lagit. Even if I disagree with it.

If we as lgbt don't stand up against this kind of thing, we are all going to be blamed for it.

 

+10. ^ Here's a poster that understands unintended consequences.