How Much Fast Food Workers Earn In Every State

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  1. Wake_Up

    Wake_Up New Member

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    Which means diddly until you tell us what the cost of living is there.

    Just like the 6-figure jobs in places like Simi or Silicon Valley...sounds good until you learn what it costs to live there too.

    Here's some examples for Australia compared to the U.S.:

    Domestic Beer (0.5 liter draught) 6.50 A$ - U.S. $3.50
    Imported Beer (0.33 liter bottle) 7.50 A$ - U.S. $5.00
    Coke/Pepsi (0.33 liter bottle) 3.05 A$ - U.S. $1.62
    Water (0.33 liter bottle) 2.56 A$ - U.S. $1.29
    Milk (regular), (1 liter) 1.51 A$ - U.S. $1.01
    Eggs (12) 4.36 A$ - U.S. $2.32
    Tomato (1kg) 4.93 A$ - U.S. $3.86
    Gasoline (1 liter) 1.54 A$ - U.S. $0.96
    1 Pair of Jeans (Levis 501 Or Similar) 101.35 A$ - U.S. $41.21
    1 Pair of Nike Shoes 143.96 A$ - U.S. $77.25
    1 Pair of Men Leather Shoes 134.24 A$ - U.S. $84.60
    Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre 1773.21 A$ - U.S. $1028.25
    Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre 3,065.63 A$ - U.S. $1736.27
    Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of Centre 2,005.28 A$ - U.S. $1305.14
    Price per Square Meter to Buy Apartment in City Centre 7,574.43 A$ - U.S. $1904.09
    Price per Square Meter to Buy Apartment Outside of Centre 4,879.51 A$ - U.S. $1256.87

    So, how's that $16.88 workin out for you in Aussie land?
     
  2. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who decides "what's worth to do it?" You seem to think it's the government.

    On the other hand, I think it's the employer and the employee who are best equipped to make that decision. So tell me again how that's not the liberals claiming they can decide for other people what they need better than they can decide on their own?
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unfortunately all the folks you're talking about exist in your head. The real people don't make a difference. All that matters is the ideology.
     
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    if you work 40 hours and you can't afford the basics, your not being paid enough, and will need the tax payers to assist

    I have no issues with giving more to someone that works then someone that doesn't, that needs to be done to encourage working

    so the bottom is welfare no work

    a little better then bottom is someone working on welfare

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  5. Wake_Up

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    So, under your plan, the business owner is responsible for 100% of the overhead in keeping the business up and running and growing it... and then has to split any profit with the workers who don't have any skin in the overhead side? Is that correct?
     
  6. Wake_Up

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    and?

    Wait a minute....so, when a company does well, that is, according to the $15 an hour crowd, due to the workers, because you guys always like to say a business cannot do well if the workers don't do well....sooooo, you do understand that is also a two-way street. A business can tank if they have poor employees....so why then should they not suffer the wrath of their own downfall?

    You can't have it both ways. If you're responsible and deserve, as you claim, an entitlement to the profits for being good employees, then so must you accept the potential loss when you suck.

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    What, exactly, entitles them to a slice of the profits?
     
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    Exactly as it should be. A person is paid a market value for the services they provide. Unskilled, simple labor does not carry a large value.
    Why should a company be expected to pay a higher rate simply because they have a higher profit margin?

    This is starting to sound like the whiners crying for rich people to pay more taxes simply because they have more money.
     
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    Why are you having a family when you're only making $7.25 an hour?
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have no idea what my "basics" are. To think that you could come up with a figure that meets the basic needs of everyone is asinine. You are not omnipotent. You are not a god. You are mistaken if you think that your limited perception of what is best for people is what is truly best for everyone. Only the individual can decide what is best for themselves. If a mother of 4 wants to take a 3 dollar an hour job for WHATEVER reason, who are you to tell her she can't? Are you going to tell me you know everything about her, and what she needs that 3 dollars an hour for? No. You're not. You're going to skydive into your fictional world of what everyone's life should be like, and demand government fix things for her.
     
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    Fair enough but that was not the point. Some folks are claiming pretty much that folks making 7.25/hr are somehow living high off the hog and that as a society we should be grateful to these employers for providing such "gainful" employment.
     
  11. Fangbeer

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    I love that liberals think they can divine for everyone what their purpose for employment is.

    Especially when they are completely oblivious to the lives and opportunities they crush with their tyrannical policies.
     
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    Then let's stop right there before you grossly under estimate the power of whining and unions. If minimum wage workers can get the minimum wage doubled by protesting, why would you think someone making $20 an hour isn't going to do the same and protest and pressure their company to give them $30?

    You also need to account for every person making between $7.26 and $14 an hour now...do they all suddenly just become minimum wage at $14 an hour? Do you think that group of folks is going to quietly accept that?

    The bottom line is simply that doubling minimum wage is going to cause way more repercussions and upheaval than most think.

    What is this "deal" you speak of?

    Are you repackaging Obama's "you didn't build that" routine? Please. Just stop. Corporate tax rates in the U.S. are the highest in the world. How many dollars does a corporation pay in vs the local citizens? How big of an area of neighborhoods should you weigh against what the corporation pays? You also realize that many contractors build successful, job creating businesses in providing the construction and maintenance of said infrastructure. Now, how does that all play into the "you didn't build that" routine?

    It would cause economic collapse.
     
  13. Wake_Up

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    But unions are declining....people have seen, and recognized that currently they're nothing but greedy, underhanded criminals.

    I know this first hand.

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    And how does the cost of living in Italy compare to the U.S.?
     
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    You have no clue what you are talking about. Raising min wages from 7/hr to say 10/hr or 12/hr (which I think is getting to the high range) is not going to put significant pressure on folks making 25/hr. Whining Unions or otherwise. Just because you make things up does not make them reality.

    What is reality is that those of us that do pay taxes are subsidizing Corporations that don't. What is reality is that Corporations are getting the benefit of, roads, sewage, infrastructure, and readily available workforce but they are not paying for it.

    Perhaps you like subsidizing McDonalds by paying their share for them. I for one do not.

    Why should I be subsidizing McDonalds who is making 5 Billion/year and I don't think this includes the franchisee profits ?

    It is the taxpayers that are paying for the aforementioned "Costs of business". The least McDonalds and similar companies can do us pay their workers a little more.



    Wake Up.
     
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    From my experience I know most unions to work hard to represent people and fight for rights in the workplace. Like you, I know this first hand. :)
     
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    "Sandwich artist"? ROFL! Love it. But seriously.....STOP right now before that becomes the new PC term like "undocumented immigrant" for "illegal alien".
     
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    Exactly, but the standard liberal response to your example would be "not everyone can figure that out for themselves, some people will never be that "smart". So we HAVE to help them, we can't let them SUFFER without cable!"

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    Exactly, a wage that ONE can live on. Not four, or any other number but ONE.
     
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    In general, out of the main urban areas, like Milan or Rome, the cost of life in Italy is about the 60% of the cost of life in the United States. For example in my home town [a town with 36,000 inhabitants] a job at McDonand's, in the crew, is a good job four a young person, better than to work in a firm for sure.
     
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    That's as funny as the term "Hip Hop artist".
     
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    Italy is an interesting case. The cost of living in rural Italy is actually about the same as in the rural US. A few things are more expensive (just compare gas prices), a few are cheaper, but overall they are about the same. This is one of those things that makes statistics interesting.

    Apparently the different percentages of urban and rural areas between the two countries makes the average cost of living work out to be far higher in Italy. Italy is far more densely populated and has far more people living in urban areas, so the average cost of living ends up being higher.

    Still there is another area that makes a large difference between the overall effective cost of living between the two countries. In Italy, the tax rates are much higher. The VAT (sales tax in the US) is about double the highest US rates, and in many states the sales tax is 0, so Italy's VAT greatly pushes up the cost of living. Income tax is a similar issue. With deductions and the progressive tax system, a family in the US who earns about $19,000 (the equivalent of about 15,000 euro) will owe zero income tax. In Italy they pay income tax at a fairly high rate. As the incomes go up, the difference actually increases, so taxation greatly reduces the purchasing power of that increased wage.

    There are so many things to compare when discussing the differences between wages and living in two countries that it is really hard to truly determine who is better off. The differences in living costs in different areas of each country further distort the comparison and make it even harder to compare.

    Still it can be an interesting exercise.
     
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    Absolutely, it's difficult, anyway note that the public health system in Italy is substantially free for the citizen [it's the general taxation to cover the costs for many treatments].

    Furthermore education is overall public here and families spend not that much.

    On the other hand, it's evident that our market is expensive for an American. Usually American tourists find Italian ice-cream incredibly expensive [but incredibly good!].

    So we have to evaluate carefully how welfare affects the life of Italian family, while, it's notorious, the US welfare is becoming decent just now with Obama administration at Washington ...
     
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    Increased prices = increased pay?

    How in the heck does this solve anything?

    I make more, but I also pay more for stuff = I'm no better off than I was.

    If we dumped corps down the toilet in exchange for mom and pop shops you're going to have a much larger group of people with no job. Mom and pop shops don't need huge networks of shipping/trucking to bring their massive supplies, instead they'll continue to use the mail and/or Fedex for their relatively much smaller deliveries....
     

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