Summary executions but no mass graves found in Ukraine, report finds

For weeks now Russia and it's kremlinite children have been spouting off about "mass graves" found in eastern Ukrainian where supposedly Kiev military forces, primarily the volunteer Azov battalion, dumped the bodies of over 400 " innocent women and children" that they brutally executed. Well unfortunately for Moscow new testimony from Amnesty International blows the lid off this utter lie. The report states that BOTH sides are responsible for conducting summary executions but that the scope and scale of such acts have been gravely exaggerated, and that's as far as mass graves go only 2 graves were found. One with 4 dead terrorist, the other with 5. Looks like old Lavrov is feeling pretty stupid right about now. Interestingly the only examples of Kiev executions were against actual rebel terrorist while the Russian rebels have been executing regular civilians including women since earlier this year for things as simple as being " Kiev sympathizes". Make sure you read the one business womens story. Who are the real nazis here?

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/10/20/ukraine-war-crimes.html

 

and those women weren't spys..

 

Lmfao. Freaking outstanding,

 

What part of "both sides are committing summary executions" did you not read ?

The killing of "sympathizers" is going on by both sides.

There is nothing surprising about the Russian media spewing propaganda just as there is nothing surprising about the propaganda coming from the western media.

Neither side has been committing mass killings according to the evidence so far.

Certainly not the Russians but hey ... just calling them Russians is bad enough LOL

For sure there are Nazi's among the pro Kiev factions ... that is just a statement of fact.
http://journal-neo.org/2014/03/07/bbc-now-admits-armed-nazis-led/

Pro Kiev Nazi freaks can be seen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY

 

Another empty article that proves nothing and is nothing on itself.

"A large explosion at a munitions factory rocked the rebel-held city of Donetsk on Monday. There were no reported casualties. A Ukrainian military spokesman told Reuters Kiev was not behind the blast, located in the city's northeast, what has been a stronghold for the separatists."
Well if Kiev said its not responsible, I guess its not, I mean it couldn't be that they are lying, right? Separatists are well known for shooting themselves(with everything including Tactical rockets)

 

Aramer 1919 - Here's some more Russian propaganda, if you can stand looking at them...and it's not Kiev, and it's not Lvov but it should be:

[video=youtube;WKZ_S6w7-B0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKZ_S6w7-B0[/video]

[video=youtube;Cftax0xwhGM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cftax0xwhGM[/video]

[video=youtube;WadnbWUz17U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WadnbWUz17U[/video]

[video=youtube;ScDfaIuh1ag]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScDfaIuh1ag[/video]

 

Did you not notice the part in my post where I capitalized the words BOTH SIDES? That was the entire point of this post. No one ever said there wasn't propaganda coming from the west. However the kremlinite trolls on here as you can clearly see flat out refuse to admit that Russia has ever told a lie or stretched the truth and has refused to acknowledge that BOTH sides are committing crimes such as the executions. This was also posted to show that the lie being spouted out by Russian officials and kremlin trolls on this site like the two folks that posted after you about how there were "mass graves of hundreds of women and children butchered by the nazi Ukrainians by order of the CIA."

Exactly.

Again no one ever said that there weren't nazis within the Kiev forces but to ignore the exact sane crimes being committed by the Russian forces is inexcusable.

 

Fair enough

 

Yeah, so when I was in Afghanistan I was on QRF when a suicide bomber blew himself up in a market place killing over a dozen people and I was part of the cleanup crew who had to shovel the splattered remains of those people in to trash sacks, so don't (*)(*)(*)(*)ing try the "if you can stand to look at them" bull(*)(*)(*)(*). And your videos are supposed to show what exactly? That civilians die in war? That Kiev has been responsible for the deaths of civilians? Your videos have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand and that is the FACT that the Russian media has been proven false about the "mass graves" in eastern Ukraine. If you, who calls every single western news article about Ukraine propaganda, cannot simply admit that Russia is also guilty of spreading lies, disinformation and propaganda then you are a hypocrite and it pretty much proves that you are one of those hired kremlin internet trolls.

Quick question (you won't answer it) do you deny that the Russian terrorist have been conducting summary executions of innocent civilians as the report says and do you deny that at least SOME of the now 3,700 dead Ukrainians were killed by the rebels??? Oh wait that's right. You think the death toll is in the 10s of thousands. What was it, 40,000 dead Ukrainian soldiers in the first 2 weeks if the war?

 

What exactly did your quote that came from, where, exactly? Have to do with anything remotely related to this topic?? And of course just brush it off as lies. How Russian of you.

 

So you don't read articles that you are posting?

Well, how nationalistic of you to remember my nation at this time.

 

I think people would be a lot less skeptic of Russian Media Reports if they knew Putin was not controlling the Russian Media.

AboveAlpha

 

Clearly the topic of discussion I want this thread to be about is the "mass grave" Russian lie and the summary executions being committed by both sides. Else I would have mentioned something about the explosion in Donetsk in my OP. However that story had nothing to do with the OP and thus is irrelevant.

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Kinda hard to claim free and honest media reporting when your media is not only controlled but also actually owned and run by the state. Though the Russians prefer it like this. It's all they know.

 

That is the problem isn't it?

They have actually come to believe their own leaderships B.S.

But this will only last so long and Putin has dramatically miscalculated.

Oil costs are dropping like a rock as the United States is ramping up oil production in a BIG WAY.

When Gasoline drops to say.....$1.95 a Gallon...you will see a desperate Putin cry UNCLE!!!

AboveAlpha

 

strange you put so much trust in what Amnesty says, because their never on a Russian side, are they?

 

proven by whom?.. who were the investigators? Amnesty International and 'experts' from the West whose main attitude was to help the Kiev Regime hide its crimes?

 

Odd that you would post something so obviously false in a thread you started about propaganda.

The fact is that Putin just last week signed a law that lowers the amount of foreign ownership of Russia's media. Up to this point, Russia allowed a higher percentage of foteign ownership than many Western nations.

Kind of hard to control the media if you don't own the media.

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http://rt.com/politics/196084-russia-mass-media-foreign/

Vladimir Putin has signed into law a bill, which sets the maximum foreign stake in Russian mass media companies at 20 percent.

The law will come into force on January 1, 2016, and media companies must submit reports on their stockholders before February 15, 2016.

The bill was drafted by opposition MPs in September and passed by parliament very quickly. Apart from lowering the maximum share in Russian mass media companies allowed for foreign citizens and firms from the current 50 percent to 20 percent, the draft bans foreigners from being founders of Russian mass media companies. The same restrictions apply to residents without citizenship and Russians who have citizenship of other nations.

There are exceptions for media derived from state-level international treaties, like Mir television, which was founded jointly by several CIS nations.

The sponsors of the motion said the main reason behind it was the desire to provide maximum information security. They also noted that the 20 percent limit was chosen because a 25 percent share would enable a powerful veto possibility, allowing its owners to exert serious influence on the information policy of any media outlet.

“Those who own information own the world. It is obvious that when foreigners enter the mass media market of any country they practically gain access to people’s minds, to forming public opinion. And we must draw a clear line here – what are the reasons behind such purchases? Do they want simply to do business or do they want to enforce their policies and to change the situation inside the country?” asked MP Vadim Dengin of the nationalist LDPR caucus.

Russian rights activists criticized the law during the parliamentary debates. The head of the Presidential Human Rights Council, Mikhail Fedotov called it “useless” on Wednesday, claiming that a trained lawyer would have no problems in bypassing it. “I think that nothing good can come from this law, but there is no harm from it either,” the Interfax news agency quoted Fedotov as saying.

The new Russian law is in line with international practice as many countries in the world have already protected their informational space from excessive foreign influence. For example, Australia has set a 30 percent limit of foreign ownership in national mass media and Canada has a law limiting foreign ownership in electronic mass media by 46 percent. The United States allow foreigners to control not more than 25 percent of American TV and radio stations, while Japan has set this limit at 20 percent. France will not allow non-EU citizens and companies to possess more than 20 percent of its mass media. In the UK, the shares of foreign stockholders in mass media corporations cannot exceed those owned by British investors.

Current foreign ownership in Russian mass media is fairly high, especially in the magazine and newspaper business where 60 percent of companies have significant foreign shareholders. Some printed media companies are owned by businessmen, who hold dual citizenship, and these individuals will, under the new law, become ineligible to continue as owners.

 

Mr. Aramer, 'both sides" are fighting, but one side is fighting for enslaving the other side and this is wrong. Kiev Euro-Maidans are the wrong side. Imposing unwanted power is undemocratic and it is wrong.

 

The problem is that you are posting an empty article that proves nothing. I can make 50 articles like that a day.

I'm not saying it's truth but what people are telling me the situation is really screwed up and I won't be surprised with hundreds of dead bodies, since at any war organ trading is very profitable.

However at this point we do not know for sure and those news of yours are not adding anything to the picture.

 

Why corporations controlled media is any better? The truth will come out anyway.

 

The same day when there was an information about 400 discovered in the mass graves Donetsk officials gave a message that they were wrongly understood. 400 is the number of all the people died in the region who were transported to Donetsk storage of bodies. Most of them are civilians, but they still need to be identified. These people were not in the mass graves. But they were certainly killed because of the terrorist operation of Kiev junta. OSCE is not interested in it. Because their mission is to provide anything which can prove the official position of western media.
However they have to face the truth of a civil war. For instance finding the mass graves. Yes. It is not 400 people. Just 9... The corpses of civilians, women:

These were not 'terrorists'. They were civilians. They were executed by terrorists, who hoped to terrorize the ukrainians in Donbass and other regions setting an example of what happens if you don't agree with the fascists. Guys like you make the same terrorism by supporting it and lying. It's not their fault that so far only 9 of these victims were found by OSCE team. If they start to look around instead of trying to depict devil as God - they would have more success.

 

Ya want real Nazis? How about the Kiev militia that burned 39 people alive in Odessa last may? http://peoplesworld.org/ukrainian-rightists-burn-alive-39-at-odessa-union-building/ . Do these Nazis count as "real" Nazis? Hell, even the original German Nazis would shoot you before they burned you.... Go put your hand on a hot stove-top if you need a reminder of how much fun being burned is....

 

Putin and his henchmen Lie? Please say it ain't so. Good grief, if a KGB agent tells the truth now that would be news, this is simply him being himself.

 

Bad people do bad things in war, it is why war should be avoided otherwise no one is safe, not even those flying many thousands of feet over the war.

 

This is what ISIS is doing and we do not want to tolerate ISIS. However, Euro-Maidan is in "our interests".