Is Cease Fire Over - Ukraine Used Ballistic Missile On Donetsk

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Ukrainian army which never stopped their ethnic cleansing and genocide in Donetsk even during the 'supposed' ceasefire, now sent in a tactical ballistic missile. The Prime Minister of Donetsk declared that the ceasefire is over. Igor Strelkov, the former Novorossia commander-in-chief made a public appeal warning that the Ukrainian army is massing troops in preparation for an attack and a push towards Donetsk.

    The border which was closed by Russia so that the Nuvorussians could not get any aid, has now re opened and aid will be coming through. This an ominous sign and shows that Russian intelligence feels that an attack is likely and probably soon. There have also been ongoing riots in Kiev against Poroshenko by the Nazis, so restarting the war might be his only chance to remain in power.

    He and Washington might really believe an attack will succeed, and if it doesn't then it might force Russia to intervene openly which is what the U.S. has always wanted...and which Russia has been desperately trying to avoid.


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    Man standing in a crater caused by a Ukrainian ballistic missile this week outside Donetsk.


    http://russia-insider.com/en/milita...pm/full_scale_war_could_erupt_any_moment_east
     
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    Winter is coming, Kiev would be crazy to invade again, which makes it seem quite possible that they'll do it.

    I think at the least though, they will wait until after the new year when spring comes.
     
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    Now that's a HOLE!!

    I think everyone has known all along that the status quo (ceasefire) was not going to last. Everyone, for their own reasons, has merely gone along with the charade up to now.

    Supposedly the Ukie troops now being massed are much superior to the poorly equipped and trained conscripts we've seen earlier. This could be much bloodier this time around.

    That open conflict is about to resume seems to be a given. The only question is when. Likely it will be just after the Ukie election this weekend.
     
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    If Ukies will violate that dubious ceasefire openly, what will be different? Did they select and train some different conscripts? Perhaps, thy are better armed by now, but do they have motivation to fight and kill their brothers in the east?
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think it's going to be before the elections, because there have been riots going on for weeks against Poroshenko by the Nazis. They want the war to continue and won't accept anything less than ethnically cleansing the whole country. Poroshenko feels he has to do something or he's not going to win the election.

    Russia had bent over backwards to go along with the cease fire which Putin, believe it or not, had written up on a napkin. Russia even stopped supplying the militia from across the border so they wouldn't respond, while the Ukrainian troops continued their genocide towards the civilians in Donetsk.

    It was a political move with Russia. They needed the OSCE, the U.N. and the rights organizations to see what was going on, that way they would have a legal right to intervene if need be. Up until now Russia has not done anything illegal, other than in the spins and lies of the western propaganda networks.
     
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    There is no evidence whatever of a ballistic missile being used by Kiev. This story is a lie that not even RT is stupid enough to attempt. That hole the man is standing in in the picture is from the explosion at the Donetsk chemical and munitions plant a few days ago. No one is on either side is sure how that happened, most likely it was destroyed by Kiev forces, but it's also possible it was an accident (rebels making bombs screwed something up) but absolutely not caused by a ballistic missile. That you have to lie about such things shows your desperation. The ceasefire is over because it served its purpose. The rebels got there respite and have now rearmed and reinforced and now it is time once again, with Russian support of course, to continue their conquest. Neither side really respected the ceasefire. But it is the rebels who will official break it.
     
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    There was no ceasefire. I know people in Donetsk and there was NOT ONE DAY without shooting. So I don't know what ceasefire media is talking about because there were shelling the city anyway.
     
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    If the US and EU were serious about peace, they'd be sanctioning Kiev as well as Russia, or indeed Kiev alone.
     
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    Except that people saw a tactical missle crashed at this place.

    I remember that incident, first people told me that the rocket landed in Donetsk, then I saw this weird news in Ukrainian source that says stupid terrorists blew themselves(as usual).

    I thought at that time, well that's stupid, nobody will believe in that. Well, I guess the whole world now knows that that terrorists blew themselves, the same way they shoot themselves all the time.

    Btw there was no ceasefire. The city was shelled everyday and of course rebels were firing from the city also.

    I wonder what you absolute knowledge of the events is based on? You know people from Donetsk or what?
     
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    But Russia is the aggressor.
     
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    So all those witnesses and not one single video or photo? And we of course should just take these rebels word for it cause they are just such trusty guys right? I'm from Missouri, the show me state. So show me 1 spread of proof that Ukraine used a ballistic missile. Honestly if you do I'll believe it but as if right now it's just your wise for it. And fat chance in hell that is acceptable.

    Both sides broke the ceasefire and your right. There never really was one. Never should have been one either. There would be peace in Ukraine right now if Russia hadn't charged in to save its precious terrorist so that the fighting could continue.
     
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    Must have watched about a dozen of those. Saw videos of smoke from an explosion. Saw videos of jokes caused by an explosion. Saw several videos that weren't even taken at the same time or place. Not a single one of them showed a video of a ballistic missle bing launched from ukranian positions, flying through the air, or striking its target and exploding. THIS is the "proof" that you want to use to try and prove your bull(*)(*)(*)(*)??? And the reason you won't find this on western news is because it's fake. It's the same reason why you won't find it on any "credible" (and I use the term with disgust) Russian media groups like RT. Because not even they are stupid enough to try and perpetuate this lie because it would literally take 2 experts 10 minutes at the site to check and see wether or not a ballistic missile was used. Hell I could actually do it. I was a military artillery surveyor for 4 years and can examine the impact area and can usualy tell what type of ordinance caused it. This is a flat out lie that you trolls are trying to spread and once again shows your absolute patheticness. For a group that likes to blame every word from the other side as a lie, you people sure do lie a (*)(*)(*)(*)TON.
     
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    of course not
     
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    I am for doing whatever it takes to bury the Nazis. Military aid from every corner of the globe, especially the US, should be on its way. Since when did we start supporting Nazis?
     
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    Godwin's Law
     
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    The topic of Nazis came up way before I jumped in.
     
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    Aggressor is EU and NATO. To understand the fact, you have to learn how Euromaidans came to power in Ukraine. Ukrainian people are killed and intimidated by nationalistic junta in Kiev. This is a violation of democracy and human rights in Ukraine.
     
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    Oh that's right I forgot, the Nuvorussiya freedom fighters were shooting their own civilians just the way they were setting themselves on fire in Odessa. :roll:
     
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    "freedom fighters" don't fight to join Putin's homophobic, nationalist, criminal Russia.

    only Imperialists do.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course they are to the American CIA paid press. I mean didn't they shoot down the airliner with Russia's help, didn't they help the protesters in Odessa set themselves on fire, didn't they pretend they were Ukrainian soldiers in Russian tanks and begin shooting the civilians in Mariupol, didn't they bomb the Nazis in Lviv and Kiev so they could ethnically cleanse them and send one million refugees into Poland, etc., etc.
     

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