Putin Accuses United States of Damaging World Order

Why? Do the people in Kiev have some sacred right to perpetually rule over the people in Crimea?

And if they wanted to secede from the US, they would have the natural right to do so. Secession and political independence are founding principles of America. Try reading the Declaration of Independence sometime.

There was no invasion. Russian troops were stationed there as part of a preexisting treaty. The only excuse for not knowing that at this point is rank ignorance.

 

I know this is above many of the 'elements' on this thread, but here are some excerpts from Pres. Vladimir Putin's speech at the eleventh meeting of the Valdai International Discussion Club. The theme was: New Rules or a Game without Rules. Among the major speakers was Pres. Vladimir Putin. I'm presenting here a few excerpts of his very thought inspiring speech which I find refreshing compared to the bombardment of repetitive and manipulative lies being spewed out from the other side of the fence:


"...The Cold War ended, but it did not end with the signing of a peace treaty with clear and transparent agreements on respecting existing rules or creating new rules and standards. This created the impression that the so-called ‘victors’ in the Cold War had decided to pressure events and reshape the world to suit their own needs and interests. If the existing system of international relations, international law and the checks and balances in place got in the way of these aims, this system was declared worthless, outdated and in need of immediate demolition..."

"...Pardon the analogy, but this is the way nouveaux riches behave when they suddenly end up with a great fortune, in this case, in the shape of world leadership and domination. Instead of managing their wealth wisely, for their own benefit too of course, I think they have committed many follies..."

"...Objectivity and justice have been sacrificed on the altar of political expediency. Arbitrary interpretations and biased assessments have replaced legal norms. At the same time, total control of the global mass media has made it possible when desired to portray white as black and black as white..."

"...This group’s ambitions grew so big that they started presenting the policies they put together in their corridors of power as the view of the entire international community. But this is not the case..."

"...The very notion of ‘national sovereignty’ became a relative value for most countries. In essence, what was being proposed was the formula: the greater the loyalty towards the world’s sole power center, the greater this or that ruling regime’s legitimacy..."

"...The measures taken against those who refuse to submit are well-known and have been tried and tested many times. They include use of force, economic and propaganda pressure, meddling in domestic affairs, and appeals to a kind of ‘supra-legal’ legitimacy when they need to justify illegal intervention in this or that conflict or toppling inconvenient regimes. Of late, we have increasing evidence too that outright blackmail has been used with regard to a number of leaders. It is not for nothing that ‘big brother’ is spending billions of dollars on keeping the whole world, including its own closest allies, under surveillance..."

"...A unilateral diktat and imposing one’s own models produces the opposite result. Instead of settling conflicts it leads to their escalation, instead of sovereign and stable states we see the growing spread of chaos, and instead of democracy there is support for a very dubious public ranging from open neo-fascists to Islamic radicals..."

"...Why do they support such people? They do this because they decide to use them as instruments along the way in achieving their goals but then burn their fingers and recoil. I never cease to be amazed by the way that our partners just keep stepping on the same rake, as we say here in Russia, that is to say, make the same mistake over and over..."

"...Today, we are seeing new efforts to fragment the world, draw new dividing lines, put together coalitions not built for something but directed against someone, anyone, create the image of an enemy as was the case during the Cold War years, and obtain the right to this leadership, or diktat if you wish..."

"...But today, the global business community faces unprecedented pressure from Western governments. What business, economic expediency and pragmatism can we speak of when we hear slogans such as “the homeland is in danger”, “the free world is under threat”, and “democracy is in jeopardy”? And so everyone needs to mobilise. That is what a real mobilisation policy looks like..."

"...We already see that more and more countries are looking for ways to become less dependent on the dollar and are setting up alternative financial and payments systems and reserve currencies. I think that our American friends are quite simply cutting the branch they are sitting on..."

"...Russia is a self-sufficient country. We will work within the foreign economic environment that has taken shape, develop domestic production and technology and act more decisively to carry out transformation. Pressure from outside, as has been the case on past occasions, will only consolidate our society, keep us alert and make us concentrate on our main development goals..."

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Crimea is part of Ukraine.

Wrong! We fought a civil war because states wanted to secede from the US. Secession is not a founding principle. Only under government tyranny can a people legitimately rebel and try to secede. Under Obama, you may have something there.

BS!

 

Putin's throwing a temper tantrum because he's mad at the sanctions. lol

 

Putin's words are fighting words. He wants a Changing World Order, we already have a New World Order built on global military hegemony that we have no interest in seeing changed. I mean, why? It took us decades of waiting around for the Soviet Union to fail. We are the world's only superpower.

You can see how his words might (*)(*)(*)(*) off Wall Street and the corporatists who already have 95% of the input into the operation of this country but want 99%. They've already set our policy vis-a-vis Putin.

 

Why?

The American revolution was secession. The Declaration of Independence espouses principles of secession.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them...

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That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Good point!

 

Officially it was a part of Russia a lot more than a part of Ukraine. Anyway what matters is how people that living in this part feel. They feel that they don't want to be a part of Ukraine, so they are not. Trying denying it is weird. It was their own choice.

 

Yea, how dare those bigots try to protect themselves from daily bombardment.
They shouldn't have put their schools so close to where the fascists wanted to bomb.
Vadim Diemin 1977 – 17.08.2014
Sergey Yeskin 1979 – 14.08.2014
Oleg Kireiev ? – 29.08.2014
Daria Mosina 9.02.1995 – 9.08.2014
Alexey Starikov 1993 – 2014
Viktor Ukrainets 1979 – 29.08.2014

Rest in peace

 

That is not true. So I need not respond to a lie!

 

Got to love the left. Obama shows up 20 minutes late, reads a teleprompter for 7-10 minutes, walks off and they cheer him like he just ran 80yrds for a touch down.
Putin gives a 45 minute speech from notes , answers random questions from un hand picked journalists from around the world for over an hour and they call it a tantrum.
You sure can tell who the gubermint dependent are here cant ya?

 

They don't even want to be in the same time zone as Kiev.
"Decision on transition of Donetsk republic to another (Moscow) time zone was adopted

Donetsk time, according to the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council [Parliament] of the Donetsk People's Republic at 24.10.2014, "On the transition to Donetsk time," suggests that the DPR will not follow Ukraine's shift "winter time". Donetsk republic will now synchronize it's own time with Moscow time. In this regard, the Council of Ministers of the Donetsk People's Republic is charged with ensuring compliance with the established procedure for the calculation of time in the country as the fourth time zone. This applies to all entreprises, subordinate territories, city administrations and organizations of all forms of ownership to synchronize the start of the work day. Donetsk time will enter into force in the People's Republic of Donetsk at 3 hours 00 minutes [3 a. m. ] at 26 October 2014.

Boris Litvinov, Chairman of the Supreme Council of DPR signed a resolution "On the transition time at the Donetsk republic"

Source
http://dnr.today/operativ/postanovlenie-o-perexode-na-doneckoe-vremya-prinyato/

 

What? I see, you must be from Crimea or have friends or relatives from Crimea. Maybe you even are frequent visitor to Crimean forums. Oh, wait you are not? Hmm, then I question your ability to see lies. I mean do you read tea leaves or something?

 

•*PUTIN SPEAKS AT MEETING OF VALDAI CLUB IN SOCHI
•*PUTIN SAYS WORLD GROWING LESS SECURE, PREDICTABLE
•*PUTIN SAYS NO GUARANTEE OF GLOBAL SECURITY
•*GLOBAL SECURITY SYSTEM IS WEAK, DEFORMED: PUTIN
•*COLD WAR ENDED WITHOUT PEACE BEING ACHIEVED: PUTIN
•*PUTIN SAYS COLD WAR `VICTORS' DISMANTLING INTL LAWS, RELATIONS
•*U.S. HAS WORSENED DISBALANCE IN INTL RELATIONS: PUTIN
•*PUTIN SAYS U.S. ACTING LIKE NOUVEAU RICHE AS GLOBAL LEADER
•*PUTIN SAYS WORLD LEADERS BEING BLACKMAILED BY `BIG BROTHER'
•*U.S. LEADERSHIP BRINGS NO GOOD FOR OTHERS: PUTIN
•*PUTIN SEES GLOBAL MEDIA UNDER CONTROL, UNDERMINING TRUTH
•*PUTIN SAYS WEST CLOSED EYES TO INTL TERRORISM ENTERING RUSSIA
•*PUTIN CALLS U.S. SELF-APPOINTED LEADER
•*PUTIN: UNIPOLAR WORLD LIKE DICTATORSHIP OVER OTHER COUNTRIES
•*PUTIN SAYS MANY COUNTRIES DISENCHANTED W/ GLOBALIZATION: PUTIN
•*PUTIN SAYS U.S. DOLLAR LOSING TRUST AS RESERVE CURRENCY
•*RUSSIA WON'T BEG FOR ANYTHING: PUTIN
•*SANCTIONS UNDERMINING WORLD TRADE ORGANISATION RULES: PUTIN
•*RUSSIA ISN'T WALLING ITSELF OFF FROM WORLD, PUTIN SAYS
•*RUSSIA READY FOR DIALOGUE ON NORMALIZING ECONOMIC TIES: PUTIN
•*PUTIN: WORLD WITHOUT RULES IS POSSIBILITY; ANARCHY GROWING
•*PUTIN CALLS FOR NEW GLOBAL CONSENSUS, INTERDEPENDENCE
•*PUTIN: CONTINUED USE OF FORCE IN UKRAINE MAY LEAD TO DEAD END
•*PUTIN SAYS U.S. CAN'T HUMILIATE ITS PARTNERS FOREVER

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Fighting talk?

 

Of course the Junta in Ukraine is a tyranny. The legitimate government which represents the people in the South and West of Ukraine was overthrown with an illegal coup sponsored by the U.S. Not a single one of them was represented in Kiev, and they were and still are being killed indiscriminantly.


There was a signed declaration by everyone involved that Yanukovich would remain in office until December. Six hours later he was threatened by the 'Nazis' from the Galatea area and was forced to leave, as were the members of Parliament who represented the Southern and Eastern part of Ukraine. Washington ignored the signed document, and immediately recognized them

This is what Vladimir Putin alluded to when he said that the U.S. will support any group when it's politically expediently no matter who and what they are, with the belief they can handle them later, but as we have seen with ISIS and the Nazi riots going on in Kiev now to topple Poroshenko, they cannot be handled.

One of the laws the 'nationalists' from the Lviv/Galatia area passed when they came in power, was a language law which would have eliminated the language and cultural identity of the original Russian inhabitants in favor of the cultural identity of those from Galatia who had always been a part of Poland. These Galatians established their Ukrainian identity when their hero Bandera joined up with the Nazis and killed off the original Polish inhabitants...men, women and children as well as Jews. By many accounts it was over one hundred thousand people and like the atrocities committed by the Croatian and Bosnian Nazis against the Serbs, Jews and Romas, they shocked even hardened Germans.

Bandera is still their hero, and his picture can be seen all over the administration offices in Kiev. Galatia was purified and now they want to purify all of Ukraine, even the parts that were not a part of Poland, but a part of Russia. They are not bombing and killing militia in the Donbas, they are killing civilians and it is non stop with neer a word from their Washington supporters or the media. There are hundreds of videos that can attest to the genocide in Lusansk, Donsetsk, Slaviansk, etc. Here is one of them:

[video=youtube;Z0Oq2Weke9k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0Oq2Weke9k[/video]

 

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The US is supporting a violent regime that is actively shelling cities and murdering innocent people over a desire to break away, all the while pointing the finger at evil Putin for not stopping what was initially a peaceful effort.

 

Yup, they're welcome to go their own way. That's their right. Now if they want to take the territory of that nation with them... well that's a different matter.

Trying that often leads to war.





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Doesn't a nation consist of the people living in it, so how can the Donbas territory belong to the people of Galatia? Oh that's right, I forgot about the corporate media?



Originally the people of the Donbas wanted to federalize, but rather than holding a dialogue Poroshenko began killing them. There is no way they will settle for anything less now than total independence.

 

as far as the International Community and the United Nations are concerned, Donbas is part of Ukraine.

you can spit on and ignore this all you like, but it is a fact today.

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this is 100% false, pure propaganda pushed by Russia Todau and the Kremlin.

all the violence in Donbas was started by the Russian Seperatists, who are armed and funded by the Kremlin

 

In 1939, Joseph Stalin made a friendship/cooperation pact with the Nazis, to invade, conquer, and rule Poland, Ukraine, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Romania.

together they unleashed terror and violence upon eastern Europe.

Hitler took the western half of Poland, and the began the Holocaust. Millions of Jews were forced into ghettos and hundreds of thousands killed, while the Russo-Soviets folded their arms.

tens of thousands of intellectuals were murdered in the Katyn Forest, by the Soviets. This included Jews.

and today? Stalin is worshipped as a hero in Russia. They even picture him as a Saint.

...meanwhile the Bandera/Nazi alliance lasted 3 months, after which the Nazis attacked Bandera and sent him to a concentration camp.

 

Wrong again Ronstar. According to the U.N., people have a right to their self determination. They do not have to live under tyrannical regimes.

Wrong again! The Nurorussiya militia is funded by wealthy Russians and you're wrong a third time, Poroshenko's National Guards began shooting the protesters because he refused to hold a dialogue with them.

[video=youtube;vLRJX5BngT0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLRJX5BngT0[/video]

 

then of course, you can provide us with the name and date of the UN Security Council and General Assembly resolutions which recognize the independent republic of Donbas.

and of course you can name for us the nations that recognize the independent republic of Donbas.

 

The BIGGEST FIGHT THAT WILL NEVER BE.

Putin attempts to remain relavent...as Oil Prices fall below $79 a Barrel.

AboveAlpha

 

wrong again.

this is when the violence began in Donbas:

13 March was marked by violent clashes between pro-Maidan and anti-Maidan protesters in Donetsk. A large group of anti-Maidan protesters broke through a police cordon and began to attack a smaller pro-Maidan demonstration.[93] In interviews with OSCE monitors, bystanders described how a group of around thirty pro-Maidan protesters "were forced to seek shelter in a police bus that became surrounded by anti-Maidan attackers".[93] The windows of the bus "were smashed, and irritant gas was dispersed inside, forcing the group to exit the bus, where they were then subjected to beatings and verbal abuse".[93] A report by the OSCE said that "police forces" failed "to take adequate measure to protect the pro-Maidan assembly", and "could be observed treating the anti-Maidan protesters in a favourable manner".[93] After this day of violence, interviewees told the OSCE that residents of Donetsk had decided not to organize more peaceful pro-Maidan demonstrations, "out of fear for their safety".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_pro-Russian_unrest_in_Ukraine#Donetsk_Oblast

 

There are people in Russia who consider Stalin a saint, maybe because he pulled them through the war, or maybe because he stopped Lenin's persecutions of Christians, but the Church certainly doesn't. Anyway you have no idea what it takes to be a glorified saint in the Orthodox Church.

The Russian Church during the time of the Soviet Union was never recognized as an authentic Orthodox Church. Anyway stop being ridiculous, there are people who consider Rasputin a saint because he was curing the Tsarvich, and he was evil incarnate.

As for Bandera, he formed the UIA which committed the crimes. Here is an account of them from Slavyangrad.org. I'll be honest, I couldn't finish reading it. What they did especially to children was unbelievable.


On October 14, on the occasion of the anniversary of the foundation of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UIA), members of the UIA decided to make an exotic gift to their “general”—five severed heads, freshly cut from Poles. The general was mightily pleased with both the gift itself and the creativity of his subordinates. This kind of zeal shocked even seasoned Germans.

The Commissioner General of Volhinya District, Obergruppenführer Schenne pleaded with Bishop Polikarp Sikorsky to restrain his congregation: “Nationalist bandits conduct their activity by attacking unarmed, defenseless Poles. According to our calculations up to today at least fifteen thousand Polish people have been slaughtered. Yanova Dolina settlement no longer exists.”

In the records kept by the “Galychyna” Division of the SS, we read: “March 20, 1944. We were notified of a certain Ukrainian insurgent, originally from Volhinya, but now rumoured to be in Galicia, who was boasting that he himself, “armed” with just a noose, had single-handedly strangled three hundred Poles. He is considered a hero.”

 

They will be recognized if not before a world war, then after a world war. The U.S.'s tyranny cannot last forever.