The Russians Are Coming! The Russians Are Ccoming

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  1. Jeannette

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    It's also a right given by the UN Court when they declared that Kosovo had that right after the US illegally bombed Belgrade to help the KLA terrorists, and after the terrorists ethnically cleansed two hundred and fifty thousand Serbs and Romas.

    So what is right for the US backed Kosovo with its criminality, then it's right for Crimea and Donbas even though they don't have the backing of the US, otherwise it wouldn't be a court of law.
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    I pay no more attention to the New York Times than I do to any other corporate media. As an example yesterday they had an article saying that Russia invaded Ukraine. I knew that there were Russian trucks in Ukraine, and I'm sure there were arms going in as well, but I also knew there were no tanks. Well I read the article to see if it would mention tanks and it did not, but on the top it had a picture of tanks all lined up so the readers would be fooled into believing that tanks were rolling into Ukraine.

    Anyway the point here is that with the exception of those from the Lviv area, the majority of people do not want to be under the control of the Maidan government. If they didn't think of themselves as being Russian before, they do now. As for the election, that was no election because most of the country was disinfranchised. And to make sure that the Russian speakers will never have a say in the government, Poroshenko is passing a 'lustration' law. It states that anyone who was in the government before two years, cannot run again. I guess he wanted to do something more than just throwing them in the trash bins as a warning.

    Of course the corporate media gives the maidan spin, and that they were thrown in the bins because they were corrupt...and that mind you from a government which is run completely by the Ukrainian mafia.


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    Your assertion that because 8 out of 40 million people are of a different ethnicity then that gives them the right to secede and take half of that nations territory with them, even conceding that all of them (or even a majority of them) wish to do so, which they don't, now that you people are no longer capable of denying this blatant violation of Ukraine proper by the Russian military you are trying to make justifications for the unjustifiable. The West needs to start giving the Ukrainian military advanced weaponry with which to fight back against the war criminal Putin and his terrorist minions in Eastern Ukraine including the Crimea.
     
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    The source for the statistics is Wikipedia, the Kiev Post is reporting on the atrocities being committed by the Russian terrorists in the Eastern Ukraine including the shelling of residential areas.
     
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    Bwahahahahahahahahaha, everything you say is either a lie or just completely delusional, there are no other words to describe it.
     
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    Zeig Heil Mein Fuhror we must unite the fatherland! All of the people of the Rus must be United under the same Lebensraum by force if necessary, there is no such as a Ukrainian or the Ukraine! Zeig Heil!

    That's what you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing sound like and it's utterly disgusting, you have no business in the west or the free world in general.
     
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    The Times has biases for sure. It toes the liberal establishment line. I can give you horrible examples. Still, it has a global network of correspondents and staff experts, so it covers important stories not found in most papers that just do local news and reprint a few AP pieces. The Times and the Wall Street Journal are our best newspapers despite their biases. (The Journal is probably most objective.) But it's impossible to find any news source unaffected by the opinions of its writers. In rejecting the Times, you just substitute other biased sources. Sources such as RT and Al-Jazeera that have anti-American bias are least likely to be of value to an American, even though it's worth knowing what they say. These publications don't necessarily reflect the opinions of the average Russian or Arab, rather, they're government organs. So a news reader should always be alert to bias and seek diverse viewpoints. But a blanket rejection of the Times, et al., risks making yourself a tool of other biases.

    Re Ukraine, I don't trust sweeping statements about what the people do or don't want. Such statements about the United States are seldom accurate and almost always express partisan bias. Political Forum is full of them, and they contradict one another. How much more inaccurate must be sweeping statements about a country little known to Americans? Distance and ignorance makes such misleading generalizations easier to believe.

    What I do know for certain is meddling in the affairs of another country, especially by arming and equipping one side in a civil war, is not done by friends of democracy. Yes, I know the US has often done this, and is doing it as I write, but that doesn't make it OK. It's an expression of imperial ambition. I don't really know what the people of various towns and districts in Ukraine feel. I know that if the United States and Russia are both would-be empires in opposition to one another, my side is that of the United States. I see no moral case to be made here. In fact, specious moral arguments are just a tool of propaganda. (My father brought home a Nazi's belt buckle after WW2. On the buckle is the motto "Gott Mit Uns" - God With Us. All the world's killers and terrorists and torturers still assure us God is on their side.) Everyone involved is just grabbing for power and autonomy. If it's just a slug-fest, I'm American.

    Please give Moi the Cliff's Notes version of what I wrote.
     
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    Utter rubbish they were not ethnically cleansed they fled a conflict which the Serbians themselves had started:

    As of September 2010, out of 300,000–350,000 Serbs who fled from Croatia during the entire war,[198] 132,707 are registered as having returned,[199] but only 60–65% of those are believed to reside permanently in the country. However, only 20,000–25,000 more are interested in returning to Croatia.[198] As of 2010, approximately 60,000 Serb refugees from Croatia remained in Serbia.[200]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Storm#Aftermath

    It was the Serbs who perpetrated ethnic cleansing against the Albanians not the other way around and in the case of the Srebrenica massacre the ICJ ruled that it constituted genocide, in the past I have provided this forum with numerous citations to Serbian war crimes during the Yugoslav wars including genocide and mass rape, and listed numerous massacres of Croat, Bosniak,, and Albanian civilian men, women, and children targeted specifically and exclusively because of their ethnicity, that is genocide anyway you slice it.

    Notable massacres against Croats:


    Baćin massacre
    Bruška massacre
    Dalj massacre (led by notorious war criminal Arkan)
    Erdut massacre
    Lovas massacre
    Saborsko massacre
    Široka Kula massacre
    Škabrnja massacre
    Voćin massacre
    Vukovar massacre

    There were also prison camps, where Croatian prisoners of war and civilians were kept by Serbian authorities.

    Begejci camp (Logor Begejci) in Begejci near Zrenjanin, Serbia.
    Sremska Mitrovica camp in Sremska Mitrovica, Serbia.
    Stajićevo camp (Logor Stajićevo) in Stajićevo near Zrenjanin.


    Against Bosniaks/Albanians during the Bosnian War:


    Ahatovići massacre
    Bijeljina massacre
    Doboj massacre
    Foča massacres
    Korićani Cliffs massacre
    Prijedor massacre
    Višegrad massacre
    Tuzla Massacre
    Paklenik Massacre
    Markale massacres
    Srebrenica massacre
    Srebrenica Children Massacre
    Zvornik massacre
    Siege of Bihać
    Siege of Goražde
    Siege of Sarajevo

    There were several concentration and prison camps in Bosnia, run by Serbs:

    Omarska camp
    Keraterm camp
    Manjača camp
    Trnopolje camp
    Uzamnica camp
    Vilina Vlas

    The International Court of Justice confirmed the ICTY judgment that the Srebrenica massacre was genocide:

    The Court concludes that the acts committed at Srebrenica falling within Article II (a) and (b) of the Convention were committed with the specific intent to destroy in part the group of the Muslims of Bosnia and Herzegovina as such; and accordingly that these were acts of genocide, committed by members of the VRS in and around Srebrenica from about 13 July 1995.[39]


    Against Albanians during Kosovo war:


    Suva Reka massacre — 48 Albanian civilians victims, among them many children.[42]
    Račak massacre — 45 Albanians villagers were murdered by Serb forces.[43]
    Podujevo massacre - 19 Albanian civilians, including women, children and the elderly, killed by Serb paramilitary.[44]
    Massacre at Velika Kruša — according to the Court, Serbian special police units murdered 42 persons.[45] There is also allegetions of females mass raped.[46]
    Izbica massacre — Serbian forces killed about 120 Albanian civilians.[47]
    Drenica massacre — there were 29 identified corpses of massacre, committed by Serbian law enforcement forces.[48]
    Gornje Obrinje massacre - 18 bodies were found,[49] but more people slaughtered.[50]
    Cuska massacre — 41 known victims.[51]
    Bela Crkva massacre — 62 known victims[52]
    Orahovac massacre — from 50 to more than 200 ethnic Albanian civilians victims[53]
    Dubrava Prison massacre — Serbian prison guards killed more than 70 Albanian prisoners.[54]
    Ćuška massacre near Peć on May 14, 1999 attributed to the Šakali

    Goran Stoparić, ex-member of Special Anti-terrorist Unit (SAJ), speculating about motives behind Podujevo massacre, said:

    "In my opinion, the only motive was the fact that the victims were Albanians, and perhaps because of some hidden immaturity or sickness of mind on their part. They would probably have killed them had they been Bosnians or Croats. But it is certain that they were killed because they were not Serbs".[55]


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_war_crimes_in_the_Yugoslav_Wars#War_crimes

    The majority of the Albanian population supported peaceful independence it was not until the Drenica massacres perpetrated by the Serbians that most Albanians in Kosovo became radicalized, turned against the peaceful independence movement of Ibrahim Rugova, and joined the KLA.

    On 3 March 1998, some 50,000 people gathered for the burial of 24 Drenica massacre victims in the village of Likoshan.[4] These massacres were partly responsible for the radicalisation of the Kosovo Albanian population and helped to solidify armed opposition to Belgrade's rule.[2] Many ethnic Albanians who had been committed to the nonviolent politics of Ibrahim Rugova decided to join the KLA, in part because they viewed armed insurgency as the only means of achieving independence.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drenica_massacres

    Furthermore; the assertion that Albanian crimes were comparable in scale to those of the Serbian forces is a out and out lie:

    All parties involved in the conflict have committed «grave breaches» of the Geneva Conventions and other violations of international humanitarian law. These violations include the killing of civilians, rape torture, and the deliberate destruction of civilian property, including cultural and religious property, such as churches and mosques. But, there are significant qualitative differences. Most of the violations were committed by Serbs against Bosnian Muslims.[7]

    — Final report of the United Nations Commission of Experts
     
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    Yeah...and if the U.K. tried to invade the U.S. or Canada or the others we would all put up one HELL of a fight!!

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    For you very often "no words." This is called a lack of education.
     
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    I will tell you what is a lack of education.

    P!$$!NG OFF the only Nation left in the world...the U.S....that is willing to help you or if necessary squash you like a bug.

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    You very often "no other words ." This is called a education deficiency. Weak vocabulary. You need to read more.
     
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    Simply put....Mr. Putin has denied so many verified aspects of his actions and straight out LIED to the international community that nothing he says is taken as truth anymore. When this is combined with aggressive actions (bombers in the gulf of Mexico), Putin is recreating a "Cold War" mentality that everyone else was glad to see die.

    Russia has become Pariah in the developed world because of Putin....yet Russians have no idea because he controls the media.
     
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    Very funny. Russian still cannot forget the "help" the US, which it had in the 90s. Indeed, thanks to this "help" were destroyed agriculture and industry in Russia.
    By the way, I think that Iraq, Libya, Syria .... and others are also very long time will remember the American "aid."
     
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    You probably talk about "nitty Europe"? (For example, you know that during World War II (not so long ago) in the German division there was no hint at any bath and laundry squad (As for the whole of Europe.). that was obligatorily in Soviet division. Hence the huge number of lice in European armies.) And other countries with "European values"? I think that Russia is trying to protect itself from European outcasts.
    Incidentally, the summit in China showed well - who is actually an outcast. Pale appearance of Obama, you can differentiate amongst on the many photo. And Merkel and Hollande even ignored.

    This was particularly funny. "German Journalist Blows Whistle On How The CIA Controls The Media" http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...ist-blows-whistle-how-cia-controls-media.html

    Russian aircraft in international waters? Amazing aggression .... It is quite another to kill the duly elected head of government a sovereign republic. For example Saddam Hussein (under the false pretext) and Gaddafi. And of course the "peace" bombing of European capitals, such as Belgrade. Without the sanction of the UN of course.
     
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    Stack up Putin's lies against those of the West.

    And use a timeline.


    From what I observe, Putin is "reactive", the West is "proactive' or provoking, if you will.
    Contrary to agreements, the West moved NATO and "defense against Russia" attitudes up to the Russian borders. Along with this comes trade deals, denying trade with Russia, a border partner.

    Putin reacts.
    After the Western sponsored putsch in Kiev, Putin reacted with Crimea.
    If it were not for the putsch, Crimea would still be Ukrainian as Nikolai Khrushchev intended.

    So the West tries to economically corral Russia's western borders and Putin reacts with expansion to the East with China. And BRICS too. And making military base,
    nuclear, trade and oil field development deals all over Latin America. Ta Ta Monroe Doctrine.

    Check a timeline and witness.
    America can only lament it has no one of the Global Chess board aptitude of Vladmir Putin.
    And he was forced to make those big moves,
    don'tchyasee?

    What part don't I have right AboveA :smile:
    techoya and Face Your too <flashing Masonic sign>


    Moi :oldman:

    r > g


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    I rest my case....Thanks
     
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    Truth about situation in Ukraine

    November 12 · Edited.




    "Reputable" western media are still using photos portraying vehicles from fascist battalions as Russian ones.

    Please tell tthe BBC and Reuters that their stupid propaganda is beginning to annoy. White circles on vehicles are marks of the fascist "battalions of territorial defense, which were created by Igor Kolomoiskiy, a citizen of Israel. Proof about this was published in the junta media at 7 - 8 November. It appears that the "reputable Western media" don't know it yet. Please tell the media to create new marks for "Russian vehicles, which invaded the Ukraine", because old ones, aka white circles, don't work any more

    In the first photo below you see screenshot of article about damaged vehicles of 19th Nikolayev battalion of territorial defense.
    Source
    http://nikvesti.com/news/politics/61171
    http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/ev...ykolaevskoho-19-batalona-popaly-pod-obstrel#2

    In the second photo you see screenshot of BBC article about Russian invasion.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30025138
     
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    Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich stated that a new Russian humanitarian aid convoy is scheduled to leave for Novorossiya on the 14th of November.

    Since August, Russia has sent six aid convoys to Novorossiya.
    The co...

    Since August, Russia has sent six aid convoys to Novorossiya.
    The convoys have delivered food, water, power generators and medicine, as well as warm clothes and winter supplies for residents of DPR and LPR to replenish their stocks ahead of the coming winter. The last Russian humanitarian convoy consisted of 20 trucks and delivered more than 100 tons of aid to the Donetsk and Lugansk regions on November 4. The trucks returned to Russia on the same day.

    Source: http://www.sputniknews.com/russia/20141113/1014693437.html
     
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    Oh gee the "American" speaks Russian and frequents Russian language online newspapers, I'm shocked I tell you shocked. :roll:

    Nothing in your articles prove in any way, shape, or form that these were Kiev forces. The jig is up son the entire world knows that Russia is massing into Ukraine proper, it's in every free paper and on every free media outlet in the world so your assertions that they are all lying as part of some conspiracy against the poor wittle Adolf Putin and the Russian Reich are laughable.
     
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    Yeah, I saw the video and the satellite pictures.

    Oh, wait ...... (cue laugh track)
     
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    The part where Russia didn't start every single bit of this.

    It was Russia that started all of this first with economic warfare in order to prevent the Ukraine's right to self determination:

    Ukraine's Employers Federation: Russia's customs service halts all Ukrainian imports

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukr...rvice-halts-all-ukrainian-imports-328360.html

    This prompted peaceful protests to join the EU both of which were supported by the majority of Ukrainians:

    Public opinion about Euromaidan

    According to December 2013 polls (by three different pollsters) between 45% and 50% of Ukrainians supported Euromaidan, while between 42% and 50% opposed it.[126][127][128] The biggest support for the protest can be found in Kiev (about 75%) and western Ukraine (more than 80%).[126][129] Among Euromaidan protesters, 55% are from the west of the country, with 24% from central Ukraine and 21% from the east.[130]

    In a poll taken on 7&#8211;8 December, 73% of protesters had committed to continue protesting in Kiev as long as needed until their demands are fulfilled.[6] This number has increased to 82% as of 3 February 2014.[130] Polls also show that the nation is divided in age: while majority of young people are pro-EU, older generations (50 and above) more often prefer the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia.[131] More than 41% of protesters are ready to take part in the seizure of administrative buildings as of February, compared to 13 and 19 percent during polls on 10 and 20 December 2013. At the same time, more than 50 percent are ready to take part in the creation of independent military units, compared to 15 and 21 percent during the past studies, respectively.[130]

    According to a January poll, 45% of Ukrainians supported the protests, and 48% of Ukrainians disapproved of Euromaidan.[132]

    In a March poll, 57% of Ukrainians said they supported the Euromaidan protests.[133]

    A study conducted at Harvard University examining public opinion in regular and social media found that 74% of Russian speakers in Ukraine supported the Euromaidan movement, and a quarter opposed.[134]

    Public opinion about joining the EU


    According to an August 2013 study by a Donetsk company, Research & Branding Group,[135] 49% of Ukrainians supported signing the Association Agreement, while 31% opposed it and the rest had not decided yet. However, in a December poll by the same company, only 30% claimed that terms of the Association agreement would be beneficial for the Ukrainian economy, while 39% said they were unfavourable for Ukraine. In the same poll, only 30% said the opposition would be able to stabilise the society and govern the country well, if coming to power, while 37% disagreed.[136]

    Authors of the GfK Ukraine poll conducted 2&#8211;15 October 2013 claim that 45% of respondents believed Ukraine should sign an Association Agreement with the EU, whereas only 14% favoured joining the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia, and 15% preferred non-alignment. Full text of the EU-related question asked by GfK reads, "Should Ukraine sign the EU-Ukraine Association Agreement, and, in the future, become an EU member?"[137][138]

    Another poll conducted in November by IFAK Ukraine for DW-Trend showed 58% of Ukrainians supporting the country's entry into the European Union.[139] On the other hand a November 2013 poll by Kyiv International Institute of Sociology showed 39% supporting the country's entry into the European Union and 37% supporting Ukraine's accession to the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia.[140]

    In December 2013, then Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov refuted the pro-EU poll numbers claiming that many polls posed questions about Ukraine joining the EU, and that Ukraine had never been invited to join the Union, but only to sign the Association Agreement.[141][142]


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#Public_opinion_about_Euromaidan

    The claim that the protesters were funded, armed, or directed by the US is absolutely false:

    US Did Not Spend $5 Billion to Destabilize Yanukovich


    These initially peaceful protests resulted in a Russian puppet at the direct behest of Putin, sending in his jack booted thugs to attack and murder the protesters on November 30th 2013:

    Putin pressured Yanukovych to crack down on the Maidan protesters. Ukrainska Pravda found that the notebooks of Yanukovych's security chief, Kostyantyn Kobzar, detail a private meeting between the two leaders at Putin's residence at Valdai on January 8, as the Maidan protests continued to grow.


    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116986/what-ousted-ukrainian-president-tried-hide-he-fled


    Ukraine's bloody crackdown leads to call for sanctions
    Violent dispersal of pro-European protesters sparks opposition demand for trade embargo


    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/30/ukraine-bloody-backlash-sanctions-eu

    The assertions that the snipers were protesters rather than Yanukovych Russian backed jack booted thugs is pure propaganda:


    15.17 Our correspondent, Damien McElroy, has spoken to the doctor at the centre of the claims that snipers that shot people in Kiev were hired by Maidan leaders:

    Olga Bogomolets said she had not told Mr Paet that policemen and protesters had been killed in the same manner.

    "Myself I saw only protesters. I do not know the type of wounds suffered by military people," she told The Telegraph. "I have no access to those people."

    But she said she had asked for a full forensic criminal investigation into the deaths that occurred in the Maidan. "No one who just sees the wounds when treating the victims can make a determination about the type of weapons. I hope international experts and Ukrainian investigators will make a determination of what type of weapons, who was involved in the killings and how it was done. I have no data to prove anything.

    "I was a doctor helping to save people on the square. There were 15 people killed on the first day by snipers. They were shot directly to the heart, brain and arteries. There were more than 40 the next day, 12 of them died in my arms.

    "Our nation has to ask the question who were the killers, who asked them to come to Ukraine. We need good answers on the basis of expertise."

    Mr Paet's assertion that an opposition figure was behind the Maidan massacre was not one she could share.

    "I think you can only say something like this on the basis of fact," she said. "Its not correct and its not good to do this. It should be based on fact."

    She said the new government in Kiev had assured her a criminal investigation had begun but that she had not direct contact with it so far.

    "They told me they have begun a criminal process and if they say that I believe them. The police have not given me any information on it."


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10677370/Ukraine-Russia-crisis-live.html

    Ukraine's special police shot dead dozens of anti-government protesters in Kiev in February, an initial government inquiry has found.

    Interior Minister Arsen Avakov told reporters 12 members of the Berkut police had been identified and three of them had been already arrested.


    The inquiry relates to the shootings on Instytutska street in Kiev, where 76 people were killed on 18-20 February......

    Meanwhile, Ukrainian Security Service chief Valentyn Nalyvaychenko said that Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) operatives had been involved in planning operations against the protesters. ....


    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26868119

    This resulted in his impeachment followed by his treasonous self imposed exile to Russian occupied territory:

    Ukraine&#8217;s parliament votes to oust president; former prime minister is freed from prison
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...2f7c6c-9bd2-11e3-ad71-e03637a299c0_story.html

    Then what happened next is Russia invaded, occupied, installed an occupation government with Spec Ops holding AKs and rocket launchers in the Crimean parliamentary building during the swearing in of a new Crimean "prime minister" and this was followed by the outright illegal annexation of sovereign Ukrainian territory by the Russian Federation through a fraudulent and illegal referendum in which only two options were offered cessation or annexation rather than maintaining the status quo and which violated both the Crimean and Ukrainian Constitutions:

    Following the Ukrainian revolution, on February 27 an emergency session was held in the Crimean legislature while it was occupied by armed pro-Russian forces.[4] The masked gunmen identified themselves as members of Crimea&#8217;s "self-defense forces", all of which are, according to Aksyonov, directly under his control.[4] After sealing the doors and confiscating all mobile phones, the MPs who had been invited by Aksyonov to enter the building, passed the motion in the presence of the gunmen armed with Kalashnikov's and rocket launchers.[11][4][12][9]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Aksyonov

    As we ALL know by now those so called "self defense forces" are Russian troops not wearing a fixed insignia in overt violation of the laws and customs of war as proven by video recordings of them admitting that they are Russian troops, as well as, the types of uniforms and weapons they are carrying which are exclusive to Russian special forces, not to mention that Russia has finally admitted it:

    The presence of Russian troops is acknowledged by new Crimean leader Sergei Aksyenov.[56] The troops were subsequently identified, based on their battle dress and equipment, as belonging to the 45th Spetsnaz Regiment, which has previously been deployed to conflicts such as Georgia and Kyrgyzstan.[80]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_R...n_intervention_and_military_events_in_Ukraine

    Aksenov acknowledged Saturday that Russian troops were protecting key sites in Crimea.

    &#8220;We have established cooperation with the Black Sea Fleet in protecting the important assets,&#8221; Aksenov said in televised remarks. &#8220;I am sure they can carry out tasks to protect public order.&#8221;


    http://www.latimes.com/world/worldn...m-date-20140301,0,2305350.story#ixzz2w2NyFUvq

    Crimea Invaded By High Readiness Forces Of The Russian Federation

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    Unknown soldiers - upper picture.

    - New EMR camouflage combat uniforms used only by Russian Federation forces

    - New 6sh112 tactical vest used only by Russian Federation forces

    - New 6B27 composite helmet used only by Russian Federation forces

    - New 7,62 mm PKP machine guns used only by Russian Federation forces

    - Russian 5,45 mm AK74M assault rifles

    As a conclusion it is evident that the troops in question are high readiness troops of the Russian Federation.

    Unknonw soldiers - lower picture.

    - 6B26 composite helmets used only by airborne troops of the Russian Federation

    - Russian 5,45 mm AK74M assault rifles

    Soldier on the left:

    - New EMR-camouflage combat uniform used only by Russian Federation forces

    - 6SH92-5 tactical vest used only by airborne troops of the Russian Federation

    Soldier on the right:

    - Russian special forces and mountain troops Gorka-3 combat uniform used only by Russian Federation forces

    - Russian special forces Smersh AK/VOG tactical vest used only by Russian Federation forces

    With a 99 % probability we argue that these troops are the 45th Guards Separate Reconnaissance Regiment of VDV (Russian: 45-&#1081; &#1075;&#1074;&#1072;&#1088;&#1076;&#1077;&#1081;&#1089;&#1082;&#1080;&#1081; &#1086;&#1090;&#1076;&#1077;&#1083;&#1100;&#1085;&#1099;&#1081; &#1088;&#1072;&#1079;&#1074;&#1077;&#1076;&#1099;&#1074;&#1072;&#1090;&#1077;&#1083;&#1100;&#1085;&#1099;&#1081; &#1086;&#1088;&#1076;&#1077;&#1085;&#1072; &#1040;&#1083;&#1077;&#1082;&#1089;&#1072;&#1085;&#1076;&#1088;&#1072; &#1053;&#1077;&#1074;&#1089;&#1082;&#1086;&#1075;&#1086; &#1087;&#1086;&#1083;&#1082; &#1042;&#1044;&#1042;), Kubinka, Moscow.


    http://www.suomensotilas.fi/en/artikkelit/crimea-invaded-high-readiness-forces-russian-federation

    Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports


    The BBC has seen eight trucks with the black plates of the Russian army moving towards Simferopol

    Unconfirmed reports say eight Russian military helicopters have arrived in Sevastopol


    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26379722[/QUOTE]



    Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports


    The BBC has seen eight trucks with the black plates of the Russian army moving towards Simferopol

    Unconfirmed reports say eight Russian military helicopters have arrived in Sevastopol


    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26379722

    Russia has vowed its troops will remain in Ukraine to protect Russian interests and citizens until the political situation has been "normalised".


    Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Russia was defending human rights against "ultra-nationalist threats".

    Russia is now in de facto military control of the Crimea region, despite Western condemnation of a "violation of Ukraine's sovereignty".


    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26414600

    Russian foreign ministry admits to entering Crimea from its Black Sea Fleet base as the Ukraine's interior minister accuses country of 'armed invasion'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ns-of-costs-for-any-violation-of-Ukraine.html


    Russia admits that it has moved troops in Ukraine

    Russia has finally confirmed that it has moved troops into Ukraine's restive Crimea region, after speculation about Moscow's involvement

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...mits-that-it-has-moved-troops-in-Ukraine.html

    Article 72.

    An All-Ukrainian referendum is designated by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine or by the President of Ukraine, in accordance with their authority established by this Constitution.

    An All-Ukrainian referendum is called on popular initiative on the request of no less than three million citizens of Ukraine who have the right to vote, on the condition that the signatures in favour of designating the referendum have been collected i n no less than two-thirds of the oblasts, with no less than 100 000 signatures in each oblast.

    Article 73.

    Issues of altering the territory of Ukraine are resolved exclusively by an All-Ukrainian referendum.


    http://www.legislationline.org/documents/action/popup/id/7111

    It was not only illegal under the Ukrainian Constitution but under the Crimean Constitution as well:

    7
    In order for the referendum to be constitutional and legal, it would be required that the issues put before the voters be issues which can be the object of a local referendum under the Constitutions of Ukraine and the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. The Constitution of Ukraine enjoys supremacy over the Constitution of Crimea as an autonomous republic. Ukraine is a unitary state (Article 2 of the Constitution of Ukraine). According to Article 132 of the Constitution of Ukraine, &#8220;the territorial structure of Ukraine is based on the principles of unity and indivisibility of the state territory, the combination of centralization and decentralization in the exercise of state power, and the balanced socioeconomic development of regions (...)&#8221;. Under Article 134 of the Constitution of Ukraine, &#8220;the Autonomous Republic of Crimea is an inseparable constituent part of Ukraine and decides on the issues ascribed to its competence within the limits of authority determined by the Constitution of Ukraine&#8221;. The Autonomous Republic of Crimea therefore enjoys autonomy only to the extent that powers were transferred to it by the Constitution of Ukraine
    .
    8
    .
    Accordingly, Article 135 of the Constitution of Ukraine holds that, &#8220;regulatory legal acts of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and decisions of the Council of Ministers of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea shall not contradict the Constitution and laws of Ukraine and shall be adopted in accordance wit h and in pursuance of the Constitution of Ukraine, laws of Ukraine, acts of the President of Ukraine and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine&#8221;. A corresponding provision is included in Article 28 of the Constitution of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea: &#8220;The statutory acts of the Supreme Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the Council of Ministers of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea upon any and all matters regarding the powers of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea shall conform to the Constitution of Ukraine and Ukrainian laws.&#8221; An act by an authority of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea which is contrary to the Constitution of Ukraine is therefore also contrary to the Constitution of Crimea.


    http://www.venice.coe.int/webforms/documents/default.aspx?pdffile=CDL-AD(2014)002-e

    This illegal invasion, occupation, and annexation was deemed illegal by the vast majority of the UNGA:

    United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262

    The resolution, which was supported by 100 United Nations member states, affirmed the United Nations commitment to recognize Crimea within Ukraine&#8217;s international borders and underscored the invalidity of the 2014 Crimean referendum. Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, North Korea, Nicaragua, Russia, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela and Zimbabwe all voted against the resolution. There were also 58 abstentions, and a further 24 states did not vote through being absent when the vote took place.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_68/262

    General Assembly Adopts Resolution Calling upon States Not to Recognize Changes in Status of Crimea Region

    http://www.un.org/press/en/2014/ga11493.doc.htm

    Even the UNSC voted against it and had it not been for Russia's permanent member status it would have passed, even China abstained which was tantamount to a yes vote:

    15 March 2014 &#8211; Owing to the negative vote of one of its permanent members, the United Nations Security Council today failed to adopt a draft resolution which urged countries not to recognize the results of this weekend's referendum in Crimea.

    Thirteen of the Council's 15 members voted in favour of the draft text, Russia voted against, and China abstained. A veto by any of the Council's five permanent members &#8211; China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States &#8211; means a resolution cannot be adopted.


    http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=47362#.VEylksnWbQI

    Furthermore; the only mass murder of Ukrainians in the East was and is conducted and being conducted by the Russian funded, armed, trained and directed terrorists against ethnic Ukrainians and that is not according to me it is according to the United Nations Human Rights investigators into the matter:




    &#8220;We are talking of a reign of fear, if not of terror&#8221; in the pockets of territory around Donetsk and Luhansk controlled by armed separatists and now experiencing a state of total lawlessness, Mr. Magazzeni said, citing cases of people shot at checkpoints for no reason and members of armed groups who were summarily shot because they no longer wanted to fight.

    &#8220;The escalation in criminal activity resulting in human rights abuses is no longer limited to targeting journalists, elected representatives, local politicians, civil servants and civil society activists,&#8221; the report stated. &#8220;Abductions, detentions, acts of ill-treatment and torture, and killings by armed groups are now affecting the broader population of the two eastern regions.&#8221;


    They further report that pogroms in the Crimea are responsible for ethnic cleansing in the Crimea:

    The United Nations refugee agency has reported that more than 34,000 Ukrainians have been displaced. Most were from Crimea, where people who speak Ukrainian or do not want to change their nationality to Russian face discrimination and intimidation, Mr. Magazzeni said.

    &#8220;They are mostly concerned about security: people report staying in cellars to keep away from the fighting, facing harassment at checkpoints and fearing the increasingly common abductions, threats and extortion,&#8221; the monitors reported.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/w...tails-casualties-in-eastern-ukraine.html?_r=0

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    We get it you get payed by the post not to be confronted on your overt lies.
     
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    Putin's interview from Brisbane today. Washington reeks of desperation.
    "Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday said Moscow wants to work with other countries to &#8220;remove the imbalances in the global economy&#8221;.

    In Vladivostok on Friday, Putin said the GDP of the BRICS countries calculated at the purchasing power parity is greater than that of the G7, the Group of major industrialized nations.

    &#8220;As far as I know, the GDP of BRICS is $37.4 trillion, while that of the G7 is $34.5 trillion. And if we go and say: &#8216;No, thank you, we are going to do this and that here on our own, and you can do it the way you want it,&#8217; this will only add to the imbalances. If we are really set to resolve some issues, we should do that together,&#8221; he told Russian agency Itar Tass.

    The leaders of the BRICS states (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) will meet on the sidelines of a G20 summit in Brisbane, Australia this weekend to further boost political and economic ties between the group.

    On Friday, the Russian President also said Moscow is consciously making a concerted attempt in reducing dollar dependence for Russian trade, pledging that Russia will make greater use of settlements in ruble and yuan in its trade with China.

    &#8220;We&#8217;re moving away from the diktat of the market that denominates all commercial oil flows in US dollars. We&#8217;re encouraging in every way the use of national currencies &#8211; both the ruble and the yuan,&#8221; he said on Friday.

    Earlier in a meeting with his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping in Beijing this week, Putin said Russia supports China&#8217;s efforts to promote the international use of yuan and make it a global reserve currency.

    &#8220;China is one of our key partners in the Asia-Pacific region&#8230; We are already carrying out our first deals in ruble and yuan. We are ready to extend such possibilities to trade in the energy sector too,&#8221; Putin said.

    Both Russia and China have stressed that the world financial system is still dominated by the US dollar and is in need of a more diversified mechanism to reduce reliance on a single currency.

    Russia and China have signed 17 agreements on Sunday after Presidents Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping met in Beijing.

    Russian state oil giant Rosneft and Chinese oil major CNPC also signed an agreement on Sunday to sell 10 per cent of shares in Rosneft&#8217;s subsidiary Vankorneft to China National Oil and Gas Exploration and Development.

    &#8220;But we are also making arrangements on selling oil from that deposit, which is actually huge, for the yuans,&#8221; said Putin on Friday referring to the deal.

    The Russian and Chinese central banks have recently agreed on a draft currency swap agreement, which will allow them to increase trade in domestic currencies and cut the dependence on the US dollar in bilateral payments.

    A Bloomberg report says the yuan-ruble trade on the Moscow Exchange has jumped 10-fold this year to $749 million in August.

    Earlier in September, Moscow and Beijing have entered into a pact to boost use of the rouble and yuan for trade transactions.

    Earlier this year in the Brazilian city of Fortaleza, BRICS heads of state agreed to establish a $100 billion New Development Bank (NDB) at their summit meeting, with severe implications for the global development-finance landscape.

    The five countries have also created a $100 billion Contingency Reserve Arrangement (CRA), meant to provide additional liquidity protection to member countries during balance of payments problems.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Face, Your - This is especially for you, so you can have an idea of the journalistic integrity of the main stream media you like to refer to. It's from the investigative reporter Robert Parry of Consortium News who helped break the Iran/Contra Scandal.


    "...The American public is faced with an information crisis as the New York Times and other mainstream U.S. media outlets have become little more than propaganda organs on behalf of the neoconservative agenda and particularly the rush into a new Cold War with Russia – so much so that even ex-Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has broken ranks..."

    "...MSM articles consistently reek of bias – and in some cases make little sense. For instance, Times correspondent David M. Herszenhorn, one of the leading propagandists, wrote an alarmist story on Wednesday about a new Russian “invasion” of Ukraine but curiously he had the alleged Russian tank column heading east toward the Ukrainian city of Donetsk which would be back toward Russia, not westward into Ukraine..."

    "...Herszenhorn wrote: "Ukrainian officials have complained all along that Russia was taking advantage of the so-called truce to reinforce the rebels in eastern Ukraine with more fighters and equipment," while the reality is that there has been widespread alarm among eastern Ukrainians that the Kiev regime was using the relative lull in the fighting to resupply and reposition its forces for a new offensive like the one that killed thousands over the summer..."

    "...Though human rights organizations have criticized Kiev for indiscriminate shelling of cities and unleashing brutal militia forces on the population, the Times and other mainstream U.S. newspapers have either ignored or downplayed such facts.

    "...On Wednesday, Herszenhorn also compared the alleged new Russian incursion with the “invasion” of Crimea, although there really was no “invasion” of Crimea since the Russian troops that were involved in supporting Crimea’s popular referendum to secede from Ukraine and rejoin Russia were already in Crimea under an agreement with the Ukrainian government regarding the Russian naval base at Sebastopol..."

    "...The Times also has buried evidence that extreme right-wing and neo-Nazi elements played key roles in firebombing police, forcing Yanukovych and other government officials to flee for their lives, and spearheading later attacks on ethnic Russians..." Read on -



    http://russia-insider.com/en/2014/11/13/03-35-24pm/herszenhorn_parry
     

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