Republicans Outraged By Obama's Plan-

What is the text of the executive actions?

 

Congress can't just tell the president what to do. Even if they could, he could just do it anyway.

Congress only has no authority executive branch except for the purse, and as cleary pointed out in this thread, there is nothing to defund here.

 

How would the republicans get blamed? The republicans will have passed a bill to fund the government. And they ALSO would have engaged in a policy that would have effectively stopped Obama from passing an EXTREMELY unpopular piece of legislation and doing so through bypassing the will of the American people.

I'd take my chances.

 

Why not do the intelligent thing and figure out a way, preferably in a bipartisan manner , to put the existing illegals into a queue, along with the those who seek to immigrate through the legal means, and work them into citizenship in an orderly, regulated manner? This could be done over some agreed upon period of time.

Couple that with the fact that the USA really can't invite the entire realm of the Americas to come here and live and work and just maybe we could even work together to come up with a sensible plan to control immigration - yes, even at the southern border - instead of pushing policies that amount to little more than continuing to "look the other way", thus perpetuating the problem. I prefer solving problems to perpetuating them.

 

That's absolutely incorrect. The congress can pass legislation and even attach it to the funding bill which limits Obama's ability to use his EO's for this purpose. That's fully within their right.

And he can't choose to sign it AND pass his EO because then his EO will have no legal standing. I mean he could but it would be as legally effective as you signing the EO.

 

Crisis? Really? These People are already here and have been for years, there is no crisis other than the one rolling around in the pea brains of some Cons.
Now for my daily agitation exercise:

OBAMA!

It is akin to kicking an ant pile and watching them all run around ready to bite something, very entertaining, try it some time, great fun

 

1. So if McConnell is a liar....how come YOU trust him to use a Government Shutdown to "stop Obama"???

2. Rightwingers said the same thing about the October 2013 Shutdown "It's Obama's fault, not Republicans".......polling said differently. Republican approval polls went to a RECORD LOW of 28% and they finally had to cave.

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I'm sorry, have you met the Republican Party?

 

EO's work because the executive departments follow them.

The executive branch works for the president. Not congress.

You are wrong, no point in trying to convince you of that though.

Good luck.

 

Careful.....the ants will de-fund your shoe!!!

 

All politicians lie... WTF are you talking about? And I can trust him for that because he despises Obama and what he stands for.

It's not even REMOTELY the same thing. In October 2013 the REPUBLICANS refused to pass a funding bill. This time the republicans WOULD pass the funding bill and it would be in Obama's court if he wanted to pass it or if it was more important to him to usurp the will of the American people.

 

When Obama opened the border to children from Central America DHS laid all the groundwork for the venture and they are expected to do the same this time. You can start by defunding DHS, to the extent they enable this unconstitutional power grab, and go from there.
The idea that all of CIS will be defunded is just so stupid it's startling.

 

LoL So now you're advocating for Obama to not just bypass congress... but to ILLEGALLY bypass congress WILLFULLY

That's freaking genius why don't you tell them that idea

Snotloller the democrats are going to get raped in 2016.

 

I have more shoes to step on them with, ready and armed.

 

Never advocated anything. Actually, i'm opposed to him taking illegal executive action.

I am against it, but the Republicans can't do anything to stop it.

They will say they can, but they can't.

 

"It'll work THIS time!!!!!" So says Charlie Brown when he runs to kick the football Lucy is holding.

 

According to the latest WSJ/NBC poll, 74% of Americans favor what Obama is proposing to do, even if they prefer that Congress be the one to do it.

But since the GOP Congess has not moved on Immigration even when George W Bush begged them to every single year of his Presidency, someone has to do it, and it clearly isn't going to be Congress.

 

So you think that even if the congress passes and the president signs a bill which says that he can't use his EO's for that purpose... that he would still do it anyway?

Don't you see how it's absolute political suicide to do that?

Even IF the president and the democrats could do it... they'd get absolutely mauled in 2016. It would be a bloodbath.

 

Plus, to continue the analogy, the shoes are already paid for....but the ants think they can make you go barefoot if they say "We're not going to pay for your shoes anymore!!!"

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Then you should SUPPORT the President doing it.......shouldn't you???

 

Yep - and I've met the Democratic one, to. And as a result, I'm firmly convinced that even if the Repubs would put forth such a rational plan (and I think they may) it would be rejected in typical partisan knee-jerk fashion.

Both sides are ample contributors to the overwhelming likelihood that this nation will continue to be to mucked up with highly counterproductive, ineffectual efforts at problem solving. How can it be otherwise when their main objectives are centered around screwing the other party?

 

That's a skewed poll......it's going to be a Romney Landslide....Rasmussen said so.

 

Congress can't tell the president that he can't use executive action. That's not the way our government is set up.

Well, they can pass a bill that says that, but it won't have any actual power over the president.

Whoever has told you this is lying to you.

 

according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Forty-eight percent oppose Obama taking executive action on immigration -- which could come as soon as later this week -- while 38 percent support it; another 14 percent have no opinion or are unsure.


Not surprisingly, these numbers largely break along partisan lines: 63 percent of Democrats approve of Obama taking executive action here, versus just 11 percent of Republicans and 37 percent of independents.

Latinos are divided, with 43 percent supporting the action and 37 percent opposing it. But the sample size here is small (just 110 Latino respondents), so the numbers have a high margin of error.

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You folks keep thinking this is somehow going to be beneficial to you lol

I'm all for it LoL Push that executive order through

 

Of course it has actual power over the president. Because if the president goes against the legislation passed and tries to use his EO anyway, the issue will go to the court. And if congress has passed legislation and the president signed it... the court will rule against the president being able to use his EO for that purpose.

That IS how our government is set up.

It's set up EXACTLY for this purpose... to stop some dickhead from unilaterally usurping the authority of the constitution and the will of the American people.

 

LoL Keep thinking unilaterally usurping the will of the American people is going to do the democrats any favors

The republicans will be laughing all the way to the polls... just like they did after the government shutdown in 2013.

 

The best thing Republicans could do is their job, rather than bellywhinge about the President doing it for them.

Instead of throwing yet another hissyfit, give Americans the comprehensive immigration reform that they've long been demanding that their purported legislators legislate.

The pantywaists can pleasure themselves by mewling about the President, moaning, and wringing their hands to their heart's content, but kvetching is not a viable political policy.