Why Is Deadly Force Continuing To Be Used On Unarmed American Citizens?

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When did self defense with any unarmed person give justification to use deadly force? You have tazors gun, batons, and inflammatory agents. You wear military style body armor just in case the person could be carrying a gun or a knife, and may assault you.

When and where did the tactics change, where a man can use deadly force if he's or she is getting beat up by an unarmed civilian? Is this justification for deadly force?

The answer is MOST CERTAINLY "NO!!!" Just because you're getting beat up by an unarmed civilian, does NOT mean and does NOT justify the use of deadly force. You have less than lethal options. WHY AREN'T YOU SISSIES USING AND UTILIZING YOUR LESS THAN LETHAL TACTICS, LIKE YOU ARE TRAINED?! DON'T THEY TRAIN YOU PEOPLE THAT WAY ANY MORE?!

These pathetic statements… "I was in fear for my life," or, "I felt my life was threatened or in danger," or, "I was afraid for my life," or other similar statements, ARE NOT JUSTIFICATION TO USE LETHAL AND DEADLY FORCE ON ANY UNARMED CIVILIAN OF ANY RACE OR COLOR. Those statements used are only said to give an excuse to use deadly force, and, it is pathetic. Law enforcement officers that are doing this and saying this, looking for an excuse to use deadly force on unarmed civilians

Again, you have other uses of force. You're supposed to be highly trained and assess, and make fast decisions, to make sure deadly force is a last resort. Deadly force has NOT been used as a last resort for unarmed civilians. If you're getting beat up, for some reason, it's in your mind that, "Oh, I can say I'm afraid for my life and shoot and kill this thug / punk, and get away with it, because, I'm in fear for my life."

You have OTHER means of use of force: tazers, inflammatory agents, batons, restraints, military style body armor just in case someone may try to shoot you or come at you with a knife or gun… How about using your less than lethal uses of force unless you know for sure that someone is armed. Do what you're trained to do, and use less than lethal uses of force against unarmed civilians. What's going on is murder of unarmed civilians among law enforcement agencies. Some of you are nothing but cowards and sissies, just looking to shoot and kill anyone, and, people like you have NO reason to be wearing the uniform and the badge. You're the kind of people that make the law enforcement community look bad.

But, millions of us are awake, and know that what is really going on, is, these are attempts by and from our own tyrannical government, of trying to cause a race war, and spread more division between the American People, to have an excuse for martial law(not letting a good crisis go to waste), and, eventually come after good, innocent, law abiding American Citizens and our legally and lawfully owned firearms. This is all propaganda and agenda, to further collapse and destroy the U.S. as a Nation, and our Constitution.

If the killings and murdering of unarmed civilian by law enforcement officers does not stop, it is going to cause a war, and, NOT the war that you're trying to push, blacks vs. whites. The war will be American Citizens vs. law enforcement, and an out of control, tyrannical, oppressive government.

Millions of us are awake, and, we are uniting.

People, wake up. The blacks aren't the enemy. The whites aren't the enemy. ALL races and colors are being oppressed, terrorized, and harassed by an oppressive, out of control, rogue, tyrannical, terrorizing government and law enforcement.

This government is who the real threat, enemy, and terrorist is.

Wake up, and don't let what's going on divide U.S. any further as an American People. We need to UNITE, as an American People, of ALL races and colors, and stop this tyrannical, oppressive, harassing, terrorizing government.

This is about our GOD given Constitutional Freedoms, Liberties, and Justices and Rights for ALL being taken and eroded away more, and more, and it will continue to happen, if we let these events divide us, and if we fight amongst ourselves, rather than against our common enemy, which is this pathetic government.

UNITE AND STAND AS AN AMERICAN PEOPLE AGAINST THIS TYRANNY, AND, IF FORCE HAS TO BE USED, IT'S HIGH TIME TO USE IT AGAINST THIS GOVERNMENT!!! THEY HAVE BETRAYED U.S., AND THEY ARE NOT OUR GOVERNMENT, AND HAVE NOT BEEN ARE GOVERNMENT IN A LONG TIME!!!

 

Because the US is a fascist police state...DUH

 

Nope......

It's because you have ********s who resist arrest.

Then you have the malcontents like yourself that twist the truth.

 

Yes, just too many people resisting arrest these days.

 

Remember this one?
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http://www.texasobserver.org/hpd-clears-officer-killed-unarmed-disabled-man/

On October 24, the Houston Police Department announced the results of its yearlong investigation into the shooting death of Brian Claunch, a mentally ill double amputee killed by an officer last September after refusing to drop a pen. HPD cleared the officer, Matthew Marin, of any wrongdoing.

That may not come as a surprise, since HPD hasn’t found a single police shooting unjustified in at least six years. Between 2007 and 2012, HPD officers fatally shot 109 people and injured another 111. All those shootings were found justified. (For the full story on HPD shootings and beatings, read the Observer investigation here.)

But some expected this case to be different. Claunch was wheelchair-bound and had one arm and one leg. He was definitely aggressive—officers were on the scene because Claunch was agitated, shouting threats and demanding soda and cigarettes—but he was also obviously disabled. HPD reports that Claunch backed an able-bodied officer into a corner and slashed at her with a shiny object, prompting her partner, Matthew Marin, to shoot him. But it’s difficult to visualize Claunch simultaneously moving effectively and posing a serious threat with one arm, even if he had been holding something more deadly than a ballpoint pen. Claunch was also known to be mentally ill; he lived at a small group home for men with mental illness. For all these reasons, some observers expected this shooting to be considered unacceptable.

 

+1 to the OP.

It is obvious to many that the race issue is being pushed as a strawman. The media will only talk about how the "white cops" are oppressing "black people" when the real story is how cops are oppressing ALL people. And yes, it is clearly a "divide and conquer" tactic.

 

Bingo and before I was banned a week ago I was trying to emphasize this very point.

It seems after a week people are starting to get it....this isn't just about Ferguson. It's about deadly force used on Americans...not just used but abused.

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Of course the police can't possibly just be lying and saying the victim was resisting arrest...it's not like we would ever know oranything since cops rarely go to trial.

 

It's simple.

If you don't want to get pepper sprayed.......

Do what the cops tell you.

See ya, wouldn't want to be ya.

 

Why should you do what the cops tell you if you're not breaking any laws?

Why should cops be allowed to use deadly force? Most countries they dont...and have no problems.

Meanwhile in the US they choked a man to death even tho he wasn't breaking any laws.

 

The cops are mandated to enforce the laws. They sometimes put themselves in danger to protect us. They also cannot tell the difference between a dangerous criminal who won't follow police orders and someone who is doing nothing wrong. The solution to a problem is obey the police officers, get their badge numbers and file a complaint.

Cops are allowed to use deadly force to protect themselves. The thousands of police officers killed each year testify to the need for deadly force at times. Of course, some cops over react, but the majority don't.

The man who was choked did break a law. He was selling black market cigarettes. He also resisted the officer. That doesn't mean he should have died, but he was not the innocent IDNeon implied with "he wasn't breaking any laws."

 

I should have written 20,267 police officers were killed in the past two hundred years.I had not checked it when I wrote and was counting assaults with deaths. According the National Law Enforcement Memorial fund, 100 officers died last year. There were 51,625 assaults and 14,857 assaults with injuries. I'd be careful with terms like "sickening lie" when I could accuse you of the same with "They don't put themselves in danger" or the man who was strangled was innocent of any wrong doing. I'm ahead on points.

 

Of those 100 only 42 were killed. The other 58 died from heart attacks and the like on the job, not because of the job.

 

So, then, Why do some of those unarmed, resisting arrest, end up dead, the Officer using lethal and deadly force against the unarmed, when Officers are supposed to be highly trained also in less than lethal force, and, why issue them less than lethal devices to apprehend, subdue, or arrest a criminal or suspect? Just because someone is resisting arrest does NOT give grounds to use lethal and deadly force, unless that individual(s) is indeed armed. Why is it, that, so many people, when in a physical confrontation with an unarmed person, whether with another civilian or law enforcement officer, since when is there justification to use lethal and deadly force on any one that is unarmed? There is NONE. There is NO justification to use lethal and deadly force on anyone that is unarmed, NO matter the race or color. There is NO excuse.

Should you happen to lose a physical altercation with another unarmed civilian, you don't pull your weapon and stab him or shoot him because he embarrassed you and just because he kicked your rear end. You take your licks, heal up, get stronger and learn how to fight better. Just because you're getting your butt kicked by an unarmed civilian doesn't mean it's justification to use lethal and deadly force. Cowards and sissies do that, and, unfortunately, we have too many of those kinds of officer that are supposed "to serve and to protect" us.

Please DO NOT misunderstand me. There are very good law enforcement officers out there. There are some, though, that are just looking for any and every excuse to shoot and kill someone. Such do not deserve and should not be serving on the force. The agencies and stations need to be doing some better assessments with who they're hiring, and why they're hiring so and so. Some are just too trigger happy.

 

It's NOT unlawful or wrong to protest peaceably. These people in the above picture, seated, aren't doing anything to deserve being sprayed with inflammatory agents. Just another pathetic picture of pathetic police brutality, and government tyranny. That's excessive use of force, and the wrong method / type of force used.

Major thumbs up to the one that mentioned some countries don't even use a lethally armed force, and they don't have the problems we do. So TRUE!!!

 

Thanks for the +1, Brother.

 

The problem like usual, is everyone is right.

Yes cops have a dangerous job and we need to cut them some leeway.
Yes there are the pricks who were popular in high school and use the power of a cop unjustly trying to be relevant again.
Yes there are racists
Yes there are great cops.
Yes there..... You get the point.

We need to IMO just throw the book at cops who, purposefully or with gross negligence, commit crimes. I don't think adding body cams would be a bad investment either.

I do HATE how people are turning this into a racist issue. It's not at all.

Look up Kelly in Fullerton CA, few miles from where I live. It's a rough bar area but still decently fun and safe place To party. Latino cop and. White cop bout beat a homeless retarded man to death. Got off Scott free....

The brown case was all browns fault, Wilson is innocent.

The other choke hold case though .... Something is wrong with the system if the grand jury found the cop without guilt

 

Being a cop is not a dangerous job.

Apparently you missed my "parody" thread "What's more dangerous than being a Cop?"

Where I asked, What's more dangerous? Being stuck between your walls...or dying by an exploding toilet?

The answer is both are more dangerous than being a cop.

2x more people die every years getting stuck between two walls, and as many people die every year to exploding toilets as cops die every year as a result of their "OH SO DANGEROUS JOB"

 

People resisted arrest 50 years ago. With less tools and training, we still found ways to deal with them that didn't require a bullet.



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I'd be really worried if I were told that I can't use deadly force when a larger person is beating me up.

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Are you basing this off of anything or just assuming that police 50 years ago didn't defend themselves with deadly force?

 

Maybe you shouldn't try to arrest people by yourself. Maybe you should follow protocols wait for back-up and use non-lethal force from a distance?

Hey when will you comment on how exploding toilets kill more people than Cops die on patrol?

 

You're a weird one, do you have a source for this toilets comment?

Police don't always have the luxury of waiting for backup when a suspect is active.

 

Yes actually I do.

http://www.politicalforum.com/opinion-polls/384328-whats-more-dangerous-than-being-cop.html

As for luxury of waiting for back-up, it's really not a big deal to arrest a "suspect" actively being "suspicious". It's not like Suspicious "Brown" was known for doing anything...and it's not like most "suspects" are known serial killers akin to the Joker needing to stopped if only Batman were around!

 

Your own forum poll isn't exactly a reliable source lol. But then you were quoting Karl Marx in another thread so yeah.

You are wrong about the police and getting backup.

 

What? no...I thought I put my source in there too. Aww damn it you know what I didn't...I'll have to dig it back up, it's not like there is a government statistic on exploding toilet deaths so it was a hard but GREAT find...

http://danger.mongabay.com/injury_death.htm

It was one of these type reports but not this specific one as far as I can tell, I'll keep looking.

There are other good ones tho, for instance you are more likely to die from your clothes catching fire (not from being in a fire or burning building...that is a separate category) than you are to die from being a cop.

You're more likely to die from snake-bites, spiders, and poisonous plants...pretty impressive combination.

I basically count anything over 30 deaths per year because that's the average for duty related deaths of cops. But over 43 is the golden number.

You're more likely to die by being crushed by a reptile than to die being an officer of the law...hmm...go figure.

Oh OH OH

OOOOH MY FAVORITE ONE!

This literally is the government's way of saying death by dildos...I kid you not, the way to know is that it is a specialized category that doesn't include, knives, industrial accidents, impalement, etc...the only option left that includes Natural orrifices (notice death by knife wounds doesn't include that specialization) is a dildo.

Or sticking something up your butt.

42 cops died last year.

36 people died from sticking dildos up their butt...

HAHAHA

 

Yes, police have that discretion. Same rule as life guards, think before you jump in and don't jump into situations you cannot handle.




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