Gay Rights Activists Outraged Over Billboard’s Message

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  1. Gorn Captain

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    That will be the Final Position of 80-90% of the homophobes.

    Even as they have yelled and screamed and gnashed their teeth and rendered their garments and said "America will be DOOMED if we allow gays to get married...we must stop it at all costs!!!!"...

    when it finally is legal nationwide....like a certain Fox who never got certain Grapes....they'll say-

    "Oh, I never really cared one way or the other about that issue....let's just move on."
     
  2. Think for myself

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    That seems to be stating that absolute opposite of what my links states, because, as I have now pointed out, the rate of homosexuality in both twins when identical is much higher than when both twins are fraternal, suggesting upbringing is not the factor you claim.

    There are no absolutes in genetics, or within identical twins. They do not grow to the same height, the do not die at the same time, they are not always both right handed or left handed.
     
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    Except there are numerous cases of men who were homosexual having sex with women and fathering children....or women who were homosexual having sex with men and becoming pregnant.
     
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    Sure it does, homosexuality serves as a natural population control. Just because you don't like the reason, doesn't mean it is any less natural. This is why your side CONTINUES to lose. Get used to it son, it ain't going away.
     
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    Surely it would be really simply to test the hypothesis that people can freely choose to change their sexuality. You can establish someone's sexuality fairly easily by measuring physical and mental responses to sexual images. You just need a set of test subjects who are tested, asked to choose to (temporarily) change their sexuality and tested again. If the hypothesis were true, it should be clearly shown in the compared test results.

    I await the peer reviewed report from the proponents of that hypothesis.
     
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    twins separated at birth have the same rate of both being homosexual as the general public
    so now you need to explain why is the rate for homosexuality higher in twins when they are raised together than when they are raised apart if it has nothing to do with the upbringing and or environment they was raised in ?
     
  7. Gorn Captain

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    I believe that was attempted...but not exactly the way you mean.

    A group of men were surveyed on their views of homosexuality.....then exposed to male homosexual sexual images.

    The men who were the MOST virulently homophobic...i.e. loathed and feared gays....were the most aroused by the images.
     
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    Then please explain how you can have two children who are identical twins raised in the same setting by the same parents one of which is heterosexual and one of which is homosexual. And you realize of course that your second line is a complete non-sequitur.
     
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    Those crazy religious. So funny they are. Shouldn't this billboard say "God created gay people".
     
  10. TRFjr

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    the trait of homosexuality wouldn't survive in nature if it we genetic it would have been breed out because true homosexuals don't procreate there for the genetics don't get passed on from generation to generation the majority of homosexuality is found in domesticated animals where natural procreation isn't relied upon for offspring
     
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    we are talking about animals that rely on instincts on who they mate with
     
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    No it wouldn't have been breed out, it could be inactive until some point it is activated. Much like we have with other things. Why is it two right-handed people can have a child that is left handed?

    So, show us the heterosexual gene then.

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    Homosexuality is found in nature as well. Your ignorance is astounding. No wonder your side is losing the SSM debate. Hey, here's a hint for you, its not going away, deal with it. You and the other homophobes are going to have to live with it.
     
  13. Think for myself

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    Identical twins? Link please.

    Link please. Your premise sounds incredible.
     
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    second line is a a reflection on what you said. it has a typo but it is not a Non Sequitur

    If you say the phrase "There is no such thing as an Ex-Gay: is hateful then the billboard that says that you aren't born gay is also hateful.

    By the way, there are twins who don't like the same food or have different reactions to alcohol. ARe you suggesting those are choices?
     
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    As long as we haven't found the gene that makes males attracted to females and females attracted to males. . .I will have to conclude that no one is born straight.


    Everyone here who believes that they could have gone the other way raise their hand. . .
     
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    So because something hasn't been found yet, it doesn't exist? I guess everything was just floating in the air on Earth until gravity was discovered huh?
     
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    it still would be breed out if it was genetic it would just take longer if it skipped a generation or two
     
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    Identical twin women can both carry the gene for breast cancer. Once gets it, one does not. This is how some genes work. Just because you may have a gene, doesn't mean it will necessarily express itself. Environmental conditions must be right too.
     
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    Nope, not if it was a necessary trait. It could lay dormant and then return through other generations as a pass down trait.

    The problem is YOU deem it unnecessary. You cannot prove it isn't. How does it feel to be on the losing side of the SSM debate? :roflol:
     
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    What difference does it make if someone is born gay or takes up gaiety or bisexuality as a hobby, or a way of life? The US is not a Christian Fundamentalist or Muslim Fundamentalist country. It's said to be a "free country."
     
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    Of course people are born gay. And other people are born sociopathic. You don't cultivate either one.

    These people who put up that billboard, want gayness to be a conscious choice, instead of an unconscious certainty. So they can then make gayness a sin, by choice. I could never choose to be gay. For there is something outside of choice that makes me a heterosexual, only attracted to the opposite sex. I was born to be just that. It is instinctual. But with gays, they don't have this instinct, but the opposite one. Given that life's prime directive is to procreate, with the opposite sex, it is an anomaly, but nature produces anomalies all of the time. As long as everyone is not an anomaly, life continues on.

    I never understood all of the uproar over gayness. It in no way affects me, make me any less heterosexual. But some people are just nosey busybodies. And must impose themselves into the business of others. That too seems to be human nature.
     
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    BORN GAY???? This OP says much less than it appears. I am straight (Mostly) but in my earnest opinion, Everybody (repeat) EVERYBODY is born with tendencies.

    In this case, some to be gay, some to be straight, and others?????.

    The strength of those tendencies is what directs (repeat) DIRECTS a person's sexual preferences, though sometimes there are other things such as bi-gender development which comes into play.
     
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    You americans really like to debate on little details ignoring greater matters duh... what does it change if gays are born so or by choice or both ( could be this one too )?
     
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    the gentic trait would stop at the generation that it didn't remain dormant there for it would end at that generation and wouldn't get passed on
     
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    Something doesn't have to be genetic in order for it to not be a choice.
     

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