The Senate report reveals cruelty and dishonesty

What can't be denied is that it was MURDER BY TORTURE.

 

Sure it can. What is Murder? Defined by Dictionary.com:

Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder) and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder)

So explain how this fits.

 

When are you going to learn that this is not a partisan issue but a national issue; and an issue that any American with any sense of right and wrong and a love of his Constitution should be deeply ashamed and embarrassed by? But no, all you can do is attempt to deflect and point a finger at your political opponent, presumably because it makes you feel better.

 

Well, seeing as torture in all its forms is illegal under both US and International law I'd say the answer is obvious, wouldn't you?

 

What was the name of the prisoner in question?

 

As you are continuing changing the topic, how about answering Snakes post, 166? Then your sidetrack can be done and dusted and we can get back onto topic

 

Manadel al-Jamadi, for one...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manadel_al-Jamadi

http://nation.time.com/2011/06/13/h...n-at-abu-ghraib-and-other-alleged-cia-abuses/

 

Is this a philosophy of a robot? A sportsman or a cave man? This is all about involvement in "rectal feeding American adventure". Did you get any education in humanities or in a Christian religion? We all were repeatedly told that our soldiers were fighting for our freedom... in Iraq. Why did they fight? For oil for Cheney, Halliburton and Condi Rice? They all have big investments in oil. Is this that "prosperity of our people" to die for?

 

Personally....I have gotten to the point that I simply do not care what is done to these terrible people. Torture is being kind compared to that which I see as deserved, and I would even agree to the use of nuclear annihilation if the option was given.

 

Who are "these ...... people"? There was no distinction on who was tortured. Most just happened to be local random people living in the area. Probably never even heard of the country called U S of A, let alone, wanting to be in any war - their only concern is on the welfare of their farm animals or crops - no food stored over winter = death by starvation to their family. Sadly, you living 10,000 miles away, could not care less - I have misjudged you, not that you would care. The attitude of yours is what is causing the growing hatred of the west which is something I do care about. This hatred is used by the "gangsters" in these countries to control the locals and to encourage terrorism against the west, made worse by every droning carried out by the west. For some reason, the civilians of the US cannot see that the attacks on these "terrorist" countries is not to make your country safer, but to instill fear in you that everyone is out to get you. A sort of new cold war. A self fulfilling prophecy. First China, then USSR, then "war on terrorism"

 

U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 113C › § 2340

U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 113C › § 2340A

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-113C

There is no question whatsoever that these were acts murder under the legal definition you provided and that those responsible were potentially subject to the death penalty if convicted. The acts were deliberate, premeditated, and with malice aforethought and they resulted in the deaths of the victims. That's murder.

 

I don't have the list of the over 40 detainees the died while being subjected to torture or the 8 where the autopsy report identified the cause of death specifically as homicide. The Senate does have those names of course.

 

Well yes. Return to doing what all major movers and shaker style nations have always done, which is to claim to be following the rules of the Geneva Conventions in public while behind the scenes doing what 'needs to be done' in total secrecy . . . just as the U.S. and Great Britain and France and other nations are doing at this very moment. Why Bush and company wanted to announce to the world that they were officially urinating on those rules is beyond me. In that one regard if in no other I still think that it really was indicative of the purported Dumbya aspect of the man.

 

There, the interrogator instructed guards to attach shackles from the prisoner’s handcuffs to a barred window. That would let al-Jamadi stand without pain, but if he tried to lower himself, his arms would be stretched above and behind him.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6988054/#.VIxbl3udn4w

Apparently he was beaten while being taken into custody by Navy SEALs and the autopsy report concluded he died of trauma which caused a blood clot.

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So there's 40 detainees that died? Evidence? Evidence that they died of "torture"? Evidence that they were tortured to begin with? Evidence that they even exist?

 

"Evidence that they even exist"? That's about the poorest and most feebly infantile apologist argument I've heard so far.

 

This is how the public is being fooled, starting from first grade school years. We were taught about Gestapo, KGB, Saddam, etc., etc. and how good we are, defending freedom and spreading democracy. We are singing our patriotic songs on the July fourth and many other occasions, and, suddenly, we got involved in "rectal feeding American adventure". Come on, guys, look around, sober up. Is it really who you are? They only reason why we are right is our "our military is the best in history". This is what Obama like to reiterate. Force is above law - this is what Hitler's Nazi believed and executed. To me, it is obvious: if Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld will get away with this, American idealism is going to be turned upside down and destroyed. What that criticism from our politicians we hear about violations of human rights in North Korea, communist China or Russia is worth? When China will make more nuclear weapons, China will teach us a harsh lesson about democracy and prosperity, because China will have "the best military in history" plus a huge population for gun fodder.

 

Well I agree; but there is a major problem with making Bush and company into a morally-based object lesson to the world in that a bit of research just uncovered the fact that it's almost certain Obama and company have been practicing a back door version of Extraordinary Rendition of prisoners from day one even though officially he 'ended' such practices, and so he and his insiders would therefore have to be in the dock (before the World Court one presumes) defending that AND those civilians devastating Drone Attacks as well . . . and even if the Right would sanction Bush and company being hauled before the World Court (which it won't) for trial, the Left will never sanction Obama and company being given the same humiliating treatment. So regardless of what should happen, it is a 'no go'.

 

Yes evidence that these 40 people even exist would be nice, I mean she claimed that 40 detainees who suffered torture died in US custody implying that we tortured them to death but can't provide their names or a scrap of evidence that said people are not fantasies of her imagination. Hell if we're just posting numbers without any evidence then why not just make it an even 100? Why not a 1000, hell let's go for broke and make it an even mil. You heard it here first folks the US interrogation program resulted in the death of no less than 1 million detainees and any request for evidence are "feeble infantile apologetics", because facts and evidence don't matter when trashing the US.

 

And if the evidence was provided you'd still be leaping to defend torture and murder.

 

The qualifier "severe" makes that entire statute worthless, as subjective qualifiers have no place in law, what you find severe I may not find severe, I personally don't find the hardest form of interrogation that we used (water boarding) to be severe in the slightest, so yes there are serious questions if the EIC's constituted as torture, and you have not even begun to prove a case for murder. So far the only death any of you has provided is one guy who died of a blood clot caused by trauma when he was being taken into custody not from torture.

 

I think that you are absolutely right, but this is still not what I was taught in fifth grade that the US stands for, and it's not supposed to be who we are.

 

You refer to mass murdering Jihadists (including ISIS) as anti-US activists SO ONE GIVES A (*)(*)(*)(*) WHAT YOU THINK.

 

Wow.

 

Yes, you can tell the FBI again that I equate ISIS, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the other Arab Spring rebels with ho chi minh's home boys who threw out the French colonialists and then the US occupation, and who I am sorry that I voluntarily enlisted to fight against because I believed the US State Department Kool-Aid.

http://www.fjponline.com/

And I also compare the Mid-East rebels to Sam Adams, Francis Marion, George Washington, and the men that they led.

 

Of course it works.