Obama Drone Attacks Kill Women and Babies, Waterboarding killed nobody

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  1. Tahuyaman

    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    I fully support the use of drones on a battlefield. I can not support hitting individuals considered to be a high value target when you know dozens of non combatant civilian women and children will be killed along with your target. That's not the way America conducts warfare. We don't intentionally target non combatants.
     
  2. Tahuyaman

    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    You are correct in that every administration has had disagreements with Israel, but the Obama administration is clearly very hostile to Israel. More so than any administration ever. There's no question that the current administration is not a strong ally with Israel.
     
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    Both Obama and Bush are war criminals. Partisan sniping by supporters of either one of those thugs is pathetic. Most Americans are too gutless to stand up to their government. It's up to the rest of the world to put a stop to us. Sanctions should be applied immediately.
     
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    that is nonsense.

    Obama doesn't like Bibi and for good reasons. Obama is a liberal and bibi is far right wing. Bibi spews his warmongering bullcrap and sabre rattles wrt Iran, demanding that the US do what he wants (bomb the crap out of Iran).

    Apparently American arrogance is only exceeded by Bibi and the neo-Zionist crowd.

    Funny how Obama has maintained the same US policy on Israel that has been in place for DECADES, yet he hates Israel.

    Funny how continuing American opposition to settlement expansion is viewed as anti-Israeli.

    Funny how the "report" about possible sanctions against Israel is unreferenced or linked. Where did this report come from? who wrote it? who received it?
    There isn't even a mention of if it was a State Dept report, nor a quotable person named. I tend to think the "report" from haartez (left wing) is exactly what the Likudniks (right wing) think it is - a propaganda piece.
     
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    Agreed!

    Every American who condones drone strikes on countries that we are not even at war with is a hypocrite. Imagine the shoe was on the other foot and Yemen, for example, would perform drone strikes in the US? Would we take it without questioning and without declaring war immediately? I don't think so.

    The same goes for torture. We think torturing Americans is illegal, but apparently some don't mind doing it to others, all in the name of the "war against terrorism" (a term invented by Bush, btw).

    Either of these activities make us look like the bad guys in the eyes of the rest of the world, which is not promoting American interests at all, is counterproductive, and hurts the image of the US being a country governed by the rule of law.
     
  6. Tahuyaman

    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    You say it's nonsense, but then agree that the Obama administration is more belligerent toward Israel than any other past administration? Obama's belligerence toward Israel is about the same as yours.

    Your use of words gives you away. Your view of is repeal is biased. That's ok if you would have the balls to admit it.
     
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    Since there's no such thing as the "democrat party", you therefore have no clue what you're talking about
     
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    "ic" Makes a difference? Really?
     
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    If you wish to sound like an illiterate hick, be my guest
     
  10. Lost Time

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    Yes, yes, we all know that democrats are so erudite and sophisticated that they don't need facts or logics just silly work games. After all to just winning an argument means calling someone an illiterate hick. Better that than honest debate on issues and facts. It is unfortunate that in todays twitter obsessed world my prenultimate statement is valid.
     
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    Droning and torturing are legitimate methods. If droning and torturing programmes have saved a mere ONE American or Israeli life, then it was worth it.

    Any collateral damage from droning or torture is of course regrettable.
     
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    Maybe because the meaning of torture has been so bastardized by liberals. Frankly, it's a bit nauseating to hear liberals attack the very people who tried (and succeeded) to save your sorry asses from another 9/11 just so you can act out your faux feel good compassion for a bunch of murderous religious nuts. But then, you're the same folks who will support flushing a million unborn babies down the john and defend acts of violence against law abiding citizens property while waving the flag of woman's rights and social justice too. So it's not surprising.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To hear torture and Republicans in one sentence must be a music to Liberal ear. And if you throw in Bush for a good measure, well...

    No one died because of interrogations, and there's Liberal outrage. People died in Benghazi, and there's no Liberal outrage. Hm...
     
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    Stuart Wolfe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Helpful hint: When complaining about someone else's language usage, make sure you put a period at the end of your sentence. Otherwise, it makes you look like an illiterate hick.
     
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    The fact that you are nit-picking something which is completely irrelevant tells me that he hit a nerve and you are too much of a partisan hack to respond without verifying it for all to see.
     
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    Once again, do some homework, on Nixon, let alone Eisenhower.
     
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    The US military tries to only drone the bad guys. Yet even with that there is collateral damage, innocents being killed. It is not done intentionally, while torture is indeed done intentionally.

    We have always had collateral damage in wars, but we have also seen torture as inhumane, and illegal.

    The cons who love torture are hardly concerned with killing innocent muslims. So stop pretending. Take you hypocrisy and flush it down the toilet with the rest of your bull fecal matter. :)

    We put the Japanese on trial for water boarding. Just because you call it another term, enhanced interrogation doesn't get away from the fact its just plain torture. It is so telling, when you change the word, in order to make it look better, more acceptable. Kinda reminds me of Newspeak. And the cons remind me of the people who ruled in that novel which that term appeared.

    We need to rename the republican party and call it what it resembles. The Party of 1984. Or perhaps the Orwellians.
     
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    LOL since when to cons care about drone victims?

    ROFL.
     
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    Tell that to the many parents of children that Obama has slain. The number slain is large and it keeps growing.
    It is intentional when you know it will happen. If there were boots on the ground the US military could take out targets
    without civilian casualities, just like the old days. Only a black democrat president in the US can get away with this killing.
    As soon as a republican is elected the ACLU and other liberal groups will be screaming bloody murder.

    Don't forget that Obama thinks the American people are very, very stupid. Both he and Jonathon Gruber
    think we don't know what is happening. Well apparently they are partly correct, since Obama continues to kill innocent people.

    The liberal Huffington press says Obama his slain thousands.
    In Pakistan alone, TBIJ estimates, between 416 and 951 civilians, including 168 to 200 children, have been killed.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/obama-drone-program-anniversary_n_4654825.html
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/obama-drone-program-anniversary_n_4654825.html

    I'm not sure why Muslims in the US haven't retaliated yet.
     
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    To illustrate how disgusting liberal democrats are.
    In order to divert attention away from Obamas numerous lies and failures as a president, liberal democrats let a town be burned down, vilified the nations white police offices and now, most recently just put American lives in danger resurrecting an issue which has already been resolved all for the purposes of keeping our attention off Obama's criminal rape of the Constitution.
     
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    No administration has been as hostile to Israel than our current one. You may think it is a good or bad thing, I don't know where you stand on that and I don't care. I just state the facts here.
     
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    If you would live your life in reality rather than trumped up lines like Conservative vs Liberal it would be easy to see that the same people who deplored Bush/Cheney's torture also oppose Obama's drone program. And for the very same reasons.

    If you ever want to deal in reality and stop reacting the way your tribal leaders tell you too, let us know.

    max
     
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    Dianne Feinstein's report last week on enhanced interrogations under the George W. Bush administration suffers from fundamental flaws. The Senate Intelligence Committee took the unprecedented step of proceeding without Republicans even though previous investigations have always been bipartisan. It cherry-picked from millions of CIA documents and, unbelievably, refused to interview any witnesses.

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-yoo-torture-feinstein-20141214-story.html#page=1


    Deceivers are these demorats!
     
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    "I seen it, Jethro! I done seen it with my own eyes!"
     
  25. Bluesguy

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    Terrorist are not POW's. Why do liberals not see the difference?

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    It's been answered for over 10 years not did you miss it?
     

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