Who is responsible for so many cops killing innocent people?

Taking someone down who does not comply, shooting a charging thug who has just tried to kill you, and shooting a kid making an aggressive move for what looks like a real gun is not thuggish behavior. In every one of those cases, the cops responded the way they were trained to respond. And yes, there are man examples of bad cops but the three I mentioned are not in that category.

 

I did not mention Brown, as there is plenty of uncertainty in that one and now that the race mongers and politicians have taken it over, its a toxic example.

Sidestepping the reason Garner was killed, the fact is that the cops killed him. It was not murder, but it was definitely negligent homicide. It was not Garners "failure to comply", it was the cops violence, failure to follow procedure, and negligence which resulted in a death.

And what is "failure to comply" really? It means a slave did not obey the Master.

The 12 year old with the toy gun was killed because the cops were hyped up and expecting a gun fight. Thats the cop mentality.


Garner should not have died, Rice should not have died.

 

I thought I was clear. If a cop shoots an innocent person he will be tried for murder. Your issue is you cant accept that waving a toy gun is not an innocent act. Please tell us what you would do as a police officer when confronted with someone who has either a real gun or a toy gun and points it at you when you respond to the scene, do you you wait to get shot or shoot. Please tell us.
Secondly, you aren't complaining about ineffective cops because they are effective. I clearly said you would pissing and moaning if they didn't.
Lastly, grasping at straws? Not. Everyone reading this is against out of control cops. Perhaps you could list the names of the cops that are out of control, we will then divide that number into the total police force and see what percentage (According to you) of Police are completely out of control.
Ill await your number with my calculator.

 

The cop that shot John Crawford was not charged with murder, in fact he is back on the job and faced NO repercussions for murdering Crawford. Investigator Mark Piepmeier, who investigated the case and presented it to the grand jury, is quoted as follows:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...s-video-reveals-victim-never-pointed-his-gun/

“Mr Crawford did not commit a crime that day,” Piepmeier said during a press conference. “He didn’t do anything wrong.” ..................Piepmeier nonetheless defended the officers’ conduct that day, citing their training on “active shooters” and several other factors that culminated to lead to Crawford’s death.​

A totally innocent man was killed and the cop goes free, no consequences at all, and the state even defends him.

So much for your myth that cops face consequences.

And to make it even worse, as soon as Crawfords girlfriend arrived at the WalMart the cops took her to the police station and interrogated her for hours trying to get her to claim Crawford had a gun when he went into the store, the cops told her she was lying and threatened her with jail, they wanted her to take a drug test. She stuck to the truth and would not lie to give the cops cover for their murder. http://www.theroot.com/articles/cul...tioned_for_over_an_hour_before_cops_tell.html

So not only do cops NOT face consequences when they murder, they actively try to manufacture evidence to give themselves cover when they murder.

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"Everyone is against out of control cops"? BS, first you have to admit there ARE out of control cops, which you just can't bring yourself to admit.

But dont worry, its going to get worse before it gets better, and you will have many more opportunities to take off the blinders.

 

it happens

we had an innocent home owner on a phone killed here, the cop was chasing a criminal, lost track of him, the home owner left his door open, so the cop assumed the guy on the phone was the bad guy... the cop assumed wrong, then the cop also assumed the phone was a gun, assumed wrong twice, and then the cop shot the man dead

btw, the guy was white.... this is not just a race issue....

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I mentioned Brown. Conversations are two way streets.

Oh please. Garner was taken down like anyone else who does not comply and makes aggressive moves. Too bad if police procedure bothers you. If someone resists, what the hell do you want the cops to do? Say pretty please? And lose the 'slavery' crap pal. White folk get taken down too. The race card is getting old and tired. The kid reached for what looked like a real gun. Get over that one too. You don't think kids are capable of killing someone? Geez wake up!

 

I asked for a number not a smokescreen. Please write the number of cops who murdered people and got away with it. We are then as I already told you going to do some math

 

The answer: trigger happy cops.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZFlIK-zAO8



The solution is simple = disarm the cops and arm the citizenry. It is time for everyone to exercise their 2d Amendment rights and all will be well.

Let's have all the forum right wingers agree.

 

True and true, and I rejected Garner because it is too politicized and uncertain. I return to well documented (with video) examples of police killing totally innocent people, and the police face no repercussions.

I understand the confusion that slavery is strictly a race issue, in the case of a police state it has nothing to do with race.

As I have written repeatedly in these forums, its not black vs white, and its not Republican vs Democrat, its you vs the state. If there is any color involved, its the "thin blue line" vs everyone else.

Garner is not the issue, kids killing people is not the issue, true homicide is not the issue, racism is not the issue. The issue is the overreach and abuses of cops.

 

No, thats obfuscation. To you , 500 to 1,200 people per year unecessarily killed by cops is acceptable, its collateral damage, its business as usual, and in your mind they deserved it. To me, that many innocent people killed is a gross failure of the system, add the additional excesses of 50,000 no-knock raids per year and simple police brutality and the system is broken and unacceptable.

It does not matter if the rate of cop killings per arrest (or some other made up number) is small, 1,200 per year (and growing) is far too many. And cops don't pay for their crimes, which in many ways is even worse than the crime itself.

But since you are into math, how about 48. Thats the number of felonious deaths of cops in 2013. So, 48 vs 1,200. Its never been safer to be a cop, but its never been more dangerous to be around a cop.

 

Actually, it was 27 in 2013. 76 total were killed while on duty (more die of accidents than anything else.)
http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...law-enforcement-officers-killed-and-assaulted

I was recently at an Oakland event with the police chief talking about the police force in that city. They haven't had a police shooting in 1.5 years, and that is because police there are trained to de-escalate a situation. Even if they have to shoot once, they are trained to do so in a manner that disarms the aggressor and then attempt to de-escalate. He said that in many cities these day, police are trained in range shooting and get very little training on de-escalation.

 

Since you seem to be so akin to NYPD procedure. Please explain how those officers failed to follow procedure?

Really? Civilians kill each other on a MUCH grander scale than cops ever kill any civilians. I would say the issue is violent citizens who have zero respect for authority and zero respect for human life. Authority does not just mean police officers. It can mean teachers, parents. elders etc...

 

Where was the kids parents while the kids was running in the park scaring people who thought it was a real gun?

 

All either Garner or Brown had to do was comply with the Officers lawful commands and surrender and they would BOTH be alive today.

 

Simple. They killed a man who was breaking a very minor nonviolent law (assuming he was actually selling "loosies", and there is doubt that he was), and who's single act of "resistance" was to pull his hand back. He did nothing to deserve the death penalty.

Its the cops job to safely arrest people, and theoretically they are trained to do so. They failed. At best it was negligent homicide, which is not standard procedure.

One issue does not negate the other. Homicide from non-cops is a problem, that does not mean homicide by cops is not a problem.

In fact, the excesses by cops is a bigger concern than crimes committed by Citizens even though the number of Citizen crimes is greater. Cops are given a mandate to operate in that environment, and are given great authority and latitude. Cops have abused that authority and as a result a fundamental aspect of peaceful society has been corrupted. Instead of working for Citizens, now the peaceful Citizen has to deal with the typical criminal and the abuses of cops.

 

Great! Now divide that number into the nations number of police officers and multiply it by 100 and post the answer. If you refuse I will note that you refused then do it for you. Id prefer if you just gave us the answer. That way you can argue against your own calculation.

 

The OP is a string of lies and distortions. Violence involving police officers is a problem but lies and distortions are not helpful in finding solutions.

 

you can say "toy gun" till you are blue in the face..... but when "toy" guns look like this....


and real guns look like this...


you can not blame a custumer in Walmart who calls 911 for not knowing it's fake, and you can not blame a cop for shooting your child. It's tragic... but you MUST educate children as the dangers of holding even a toy gun. If you point it at someone, you may think it's a joke, but the person you are pointing it at may not. no good will come from you walking around a walmart with a toy gun.... NONE.

wii gun controller






real gun




I hate that a kid got killed because he held a toy gun.... The article isn't clear why the cops were at the residence in the first place, but if it was in response to a complaint of some kind (I would assume a noise complaint as he was playing wii with his buddies) and he answered the door holding a wii gun controller like I pictured above.... I place no fault on the cop who shot him.

I know the article pictures a wii controller like this

but that's deceptive journalism..... especially since playing shooter games with a regular controller is hard and gun adapters make it more playable....

 

No... It must be the fault of the victims.

 

Cops don't shoot people for missing Sunday School. If you are worried about people being shot, head on over to Chicago and Detroit and worry about all the blacks shooting blacks. Those two cities will keep you busy for awhile, if you don't get shot.

 

Oh stop with the strawmen. Mr. Graner died as a result of a decision that he himself made. Had Mr. Garner has decided to comply and let the officers handcuff him than he would still be alive today to fight what he thought was a bogus law. The cops that were there to arrest him were not the legislatures that wrote that law. They are simply the ones hired to enforce it. He could have had his day in court, and if he really felt compelled, he could have tried to rally against that law.

It was not up to Mr. Garner to say that whether or not he was to be arrested. If a police officer tells you to turn around and put your hand behind your back, you do it. Simple as that. If law enforcement let everyone resist and decide whether or not they would be arrested or not, there would be chaos in the streets and there would be a lot more officers and civilians injured on the regular. You give people an inch, they'll want a mile.

It is always sad to see someone lose their life. There is no doubt about that. That man was a father, son etc... But it was his decision to do what he did, hell, it was his decision to continue to stay on the same corner/block and do what he knew was against the law over and over again. How many chances did he need? That takes a special kind of arrogance that I see in many perps. Authority and law mean nothing to them. Consequence means nothing to them. When we have a judicial system that uses every excuse in the book not to slap them with hard punishment then what do we expect?

What do you think they tried to do when they grabbed his wrist to handcuff him? That was attempting to arrest him in a safe manner. It was Mr. Garner who made the conscious decision to pull his wrists away and state that he was not going to be arrested. At that point it was Mr. Garner to escalated the situation and made the officers up their use of force. Had Mr. Garner had respect for the rule of law that we are all obligated to follow that we would not be having this conversation right now.

 

Amadou Diallo for a start.

 

About 2 years ago, the police shot someone in the parking lot of the law enforcement center. It was about 3 am, dark, the thug assaulted an officer, and had made a glue gun look like a real gun. Was he innocent?

 

All four officers were charged with second-degree murder and acquitted at trial in Albany, New York.[1]


sorry, the justice system worked... despite you not agreeing with the outcome....


acquitted says, there was reason to shoot....

 

The officers claimed they loudly identified themselves as NYPD officers and that Diallo ran up the outside steps toward his apartment house doorway at their approach, ignoring their orders to stop and "show his hands".


I vaguely remember this shooting. However, and how many times do we need to STRESS that compliance,
immediate compliance, will result in a more favorable outcome than not.

I really do not know how to get this drilled into the heads of those who think otherwise.