Massive Media Fail: Only 29% Oppose CIA Interrogation Methods

by John Nolte
16 Dec 2014


A Pew Research poll finds that the mainstream media and Democrats failed miserably in their coordinated attacks against the Bush Administration (and America) over Bush-era enhanced interrogation methods employed by the CIA against 3 terrorists to stop future terror attacks (and hunt down 9/11 mastermind Osama bin Laden).

Only 29% said the methods in question were unjustified. A majority of 51% consider them justified. A clear majority refused to buy into the media's lies about these methods not working. A full 56% believe correctly that the intelligence gathered stopped future terror attacks. Only 28% disagreed.

Worse news for the media is that only 42% believe that the decision to release the flawed and dishonest Senate report (that started all of this) was the right one. A plurality of 43% believe the decision was wrong.

Only 46% of Democrats called the methods unjustified, while 37% said they were.

In the wake of the coordinated, media-wide Trayvon Martin and Ferguson race hoaxes, combined with the University of Virginia rape hoax, these poll numbers may in some way reflect a public that has simply stopped believing anything and everything that emanates from an institution rotting away due to unceasing corruption.

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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2014/12/16/massive-media-fail-only-29-percent-oppose-eit

Hmm..., I would if the considerate Progressive Left would have used waterboarding a couple of Taliban to stave of the attack and slaughter of nearly 130 children killed in Pakistan, much less another possible attack on U.S. soil? IMHO, the Feinstein report is biased and vindictive rather than accurate or truthful.

 

As a veteran, I can't help but wonder how many would feel differently if those tactics were used against our captured soldiers or Marines, should they fall into enemy hands. I get the whole need for info, but we put our own current and future military members' lives in great danger by setting examples like this. We don't mind committing atrocities, but we sure hate it when others commit them on us. And no, I'm not a liberal or progressive, but rather a concerned veteran who continues to work with and serve our military every day. The enemy can use the same "need for info" excuse and we'd have zero ground to stand on in protest when they torture our military members.

If we garnered information that prevented lives being lost, great. But we now have to stand ready when our people are tortured and the civilian population in those polls changes its tune instantly and decries any torture of Americans. And how much does this further embolden the enemy and solidify the hate against the US?

I just hope to never be correct on this issue.

 

Now we can finally understand how the germans could sit by and allow the torture the Nazis indulged in... America has changed, and we are morphing into what we hated about those evil men we fought in ww2. The cosmic irony here is unbelievable, but we will have to accept it. For it is our reality.

Perhaps we will water board our citizens some day, as an accepted means of police interrogation. Once you open these evil Pandora boxes, everything sooner or later comes up for grabs.

But given the way I have seen American society sink into whale(*)(*)(*)(*), I am not at all surprised by this poll. We are no longer a good people, but just like the other people we used to detest. Heil Hitler!!! Thanks Uncle Joe. We should pardon all Nazis we convicted of war crimes. For we can no longer claim a moral high ground. We have lost our way. And will not ever find it again. Hell, even the right wing Christians want to torture. Most of them, in fact.

 

I think it is important to make the distinction that these tactics were not used on regular rank and file soldiers. They were targeted at a very select small group of inner circle terrorists/criminals, who had knowledge of the inner workings of the highest level within their criminal organization. Nor were these conducted by regular rank and file soldiers, rather they were carried out by the most highly trained interrogators available, under direct supervision of a doctor. There is an enormous difference between that and the concept of torturing every soldier that is captured for any little tidbit of information they may possess. To whatever extent this is setting an example as you say, that is solely due to that information being released. In truth, this should have remained quiet, and with such a tiny number of these interrogations taking place with a group that will never be released, keeping it quiet would have been very simple. The only reason this information has been declassified, is for political purposes. Of course those wanting this information released will claim it is due to the publics right to know, the reality is their true concern was perceived political gain.

 

What the left either doesn't realize or won't mention is that there are very many polls taken about big issues, where one side is in the 20's percentage. The % of admitted liberals is in the 20's.

This is almost certain implication that ONLY those people so committed left to actually call themselves 'liberals' are those who support such-and-such a measure. - just like this one that you mention is supported by 29% of the country. The liberals have basically NO ONE with them other than liberals themselves. Not any other Democrats are on their side even. Not liberatarians, Conservs, Repubs, MSDems, Independents.

 

Well my friend I don't think you need to worry about being correct on this issue.
First of all you call these methods you call atrocities-who says they're atrocities? Pulling the fingernail out by the roots is an atrocity. Depriving someone of sleep is a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*). But come to think of it, all they'd need to do to stop it is tell us what we need to know. (never mind about that)

And I don't think our enemies are going to sleep deprive our guys simply BECAUSE we sleep-deprived someone. And anyway, I'd be a LOT more worried about our soldiers if the bad guys were going to do something worse than waterboarding or making them sing naked in front of a group of women and gays.
And how about maybe- quit using the word 'torture' when probably a majority of Americans don't consider these methods 'torture'. "Torture" is supposed to be something which causes permanent physical damage.

By the way, it is said that these guys were waterboarded 143 times or 80, or whatever. They were waterboarded something like 3 to 5 times. Each one of those times consisted of pouring water for an average duration of 10 seconds, and they did that about 80 times in each of the 3 waterboarding incidents. So many on the left spin when they call one 83-pour session "83 waterboardings".

If each one of these "pours" is "waterboarding", then if you've ever gone below the surface and gotten water in your nose and couldn't get to the surface for 10 seconds, then you've been waterboarded, according to these leftwing folks, I guess.

 

You know as well as I do that our enemy today wouldn't hesitate for a second to do things far worse to a captured US service member prior to sawing their head off with a dull knife in front of a camera.

 

The enemy doesn't care if only some people get tortured and saying we have well trained tortures makes things even worse. As a veteran myself I want this information released, this practice stopped, and people tried for this stain on our nation. We were supposed to fight against torture not for it.

 

If you are so concerned about the enemies response, then why do you so desperately want the information released? There is a dichotomy in logic there. The only way the enemy can respond is if they know about it. What you are calling torture hardly represents a blip on what they call torture, yet your continued insistence upon that term only fuels any negative response they may have. Obviously there is nothing in our techniques they find particularly egregious, but continuing to gleefully label it torture DOES serve a very strong propaganda purpose for them

 

Torture is torture, the degree doesn't matter. Why anyone would think it is acceptable for the United States of America to torture people and keep it secret is beyond me. It is also worth noting that it is not the release of information regarding torture, but rather the act of torture that puts us in danger. There is nothing wrong with demanding accountability for deployable actions, and I do not understand why people are having such and issue with that. The actions that have been taken by this nation in response to terrorism reflect that of a third world (*)(*)(*)(*) hole rather than an upstanding world leader. We are supposed to be better than this. Why any American would support tarnishing our nation further and/or object to cleaning it up is beyond me.

 

As a veteran I also see your point, but haven't we already seen what has happened when American soldiers were ambushed and captured in Iraq? Lest we forget the treatment by terrorists in the treatment of captured soldiers according to Geneva Convention Protocols. If they give no quarter do they deserve quarter? Read the following:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/30/world/pow-and-mia-in-iraq-and-afghanistan-fast-facts/index.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2007_abduction_of_US_soldiers_in_Iraq
www.nytimes.com/2006/07/11/world/middleeast/11iraq.html
http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2003073487_webiraq20.html
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/be...released_on_internet_by_al_qaeda_videoimages/
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/british-troops-tortured-murdered-iraqis-1743423

Bodies of G.I.'s Show Signs of Torture, Iraqi General Says ...
www.nytimes.com/2006/06/20/world/20cnd-iraq.html
Jun 20, 2006 · ... to be the two American soldiers captured by ... the soldiers in the United States had been ... all of Iraq. The American military ...

I guess after reading the above you may still think you have a point, however, just think about the results if more Americans or coalition forces had been captured by the terrorists?

 

Sure I do.

 

I do still have a point. Others committing those acts doesn't somehow justify our own engagement in brutal behavior. I don't deny we may have garnered incredibly valuable information. My point was that we now have to live with the consequences of those actions and our only future enemies may not rest in the Middle East. We've set a precedent that the entire world now knows about.

 

This is exactly what the right wing wants. We torture them, they will obviously torture us back when they get the chance, and as soon as they do that we have even more excuse to give more tax payer money to the military industrial complex. Thats all this comes down to, making money for the military industrial complex. I respect that you believe you are fighting for our country, but really you are fighting for Dick Cheney, Halliburton, Lockheed Martin, etc.

The report itself specifically says we did not gain any valuable information through torture whatsoever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_report_on_CIA_torture
"Finally, it offers conclusions about the detention project, including that torturing prisoners did not help acquire actionable intelligence or gain cooperation from detainees.[5]"

Isnt it weird how the people who support limited government support (*)(*)(*)(*)ing torturing people and the people who believe in large government are adamantly opposed to it? Clearly the concept of believing in large government doesnt make you a bad tyrannical person, and believing in small government doesnt make you a good non-tyrannical person.

 

Almost exclusively them. Would you like me to do a poll proving to you that the overwhelming majority of left wingers are absolutely against torture, and the majority of right wingers support it?


"Water-boarding is how we baptize terrorists!" - Sarah Palin

 

How many of the captured terrorists have been physically mutilated in torture, beheaded, or executed summarily for being captured on the field of battle? Yes, as a veteran, I took captives only when ordered to, even gave them first aid when needed, while all other enemies on the field of battle were dispatched.

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What came first, the chicken or the egg?

 

It's always about the money no matter how they wrap the narrative.

They wouldn't have done it repeatedly if it never produced results. I suspect some of the report to be lacking facts due to some departments trying to cover up things.

Yeah I find the direct links people try to draw for either right or left thinking to be largely a waste of time. I'm not affiliated with either side but find the back and forth to be tiring, but necessary for a site like this to endure.

 

I know that and you know that. It was Sun Tsu, a chinese military strategist, that said "To know your enemy, you must become your enemy". To me that means you better be willing to fight to the same level or a stronger one than your enemy or you will lose. Too many people think if we're nice to the terrorists, they'll be nice back. Pacifism only works when both sides practice it. If we are going to fight barbarians, and they are, we better learn to fight that way or plan on losing. People today don't want to fight to win but with the mindset of fighting to not lose.

 

According to what I know, captured terrorists were given the same treatment we give our military during SERE training. Does that mean that we are torturing our soldiers too?

 

I can't see where any of that makes any difference. How many died of hypothermia while chained naked to a concrete floor? If just one, is that ok? If only one or two Marines lose their lives in that manner, will we think that's ok? Try putting an American uniform on each of those who went through what we did to them, then answer honestly how you'd feel.

We're either going to be the good guys or we're not.

 

The act of torture ( which is taking liberties to label it that) does NOT put us in danger. The knowledge of said acts is what holds the potential for putting us in danger. That distinction is enormous, and this program was conducted on so few, that keeping it secret would be very easy. To say that the degree doesnt matter is preposterous. It matters to those being subject to it, you can rest assured of that. There IS something wrong with demanding accountability, when that accounting requires the knowledge being public, which in your words "puts us in danger". Surely accountability can be done behind closed doors, which is typically the case with intelligence matters.

Lastly, the ideology we are fighting, that has called for the destruction of all things western, seems unlikely to be shocked, emboldened, or angered because a few people were waterboarded. Is it your contention that they will now also cut off hostages legs in addition to their head? How much worse can they possibly get?

 

We are in agreeance here.

Think about what you are saying for a second lol. You are saying they covered up the fact they recieved useful information from torture.....Do you honestly not see how that makes absolutely no sense at all? If they got ANYTHING out of the torture they would be holding it up on a pedestal that way people dont condemn them as much for the torture. Again, just think about it, if everyone found out you tortured someone wouldnt you want to give them proof that you recieved incredibly valuable information from that torture which will save lives? OF COURSE YOU WOULD, what kind of moron would hide the fact the information they received from torture helped save lives? If they were going to hide anything it would be the fact they tortured people, not the fact they received valuable information from it

My tip for you, go with the facts. The facts are this did NOT help, the reason they tortured them was either for revenge or because they are conservatives who live in the 17th century and thought torture might actually work, even though it obviously doesnt. Not only does it NOT save lives, it endangers innocent America lives because of the retaliation we are bound to get from this, and the 51% who support torture (*)(*)(*)(*)ing deserve to be retaliated against, they wont get any sympathy from me.

Either you dont know history or you are being willfully ignorant on the matter. The differences between the left and right are real and extremely important (read your history books if you dont believe it, the left wing is responsible for many things you hold dear today, you cant simply dismiss them because you want to feel special and exceptional). Im curious, do you consider yourself a libertarian or what?

 

We rectally rehydrate our soldiers? I did not know that No wonder Conservatives love the military!

 

Are you under the delusion that there's a country on this planet that wouldn't brutally torture an American enemy combatant if they thought that individual had vital information?

 

Wow. You honestly believe thr government should torture people innsecret don't you? Never mind the fact that once that info went public we'd have the same if not larger outcry . Allowing the government to torture people in secret is extremely dangerous and does not befit a first world nation. I can't believe I have to explain this to another American.

As for the terrorists our torture is a recruiting tool and yet another reason to hate America. It's not that without torture they wouldn't torture, it's that it gives them yet more ammo to use to recruit people. It also destroys our image on the world stage and makes our position weaker.