Massive Media Fail: Only 29% Oppose CIA Interrogation Methods

You do realize that rectal feeding is a valid, legitimate medical treatment when one cannot take in nutrients orally... right?

So were we torturing people in the hospital in the past when we told them they had to do that?

 

Keeping the fact the government tortures people secret sounds very.......Big governmentish? Why is it the ones who support limited government are the ones in favor of not only allowing the government to torture, but allowing the government to keep it secret? What the hell kind of hypocrites are you guys? Holy (*)(*)(*)(*)

You dont think having your legs cutt off and than your head is any worse? Either you are incredibly ignorant or willfully spreading misinformation.

 

You realize that the Clinton administration started the practice of extraordinary renditions and the Obama administration still engages in the activity right?

 

Not only did we do this rectal rehydration to people who were ALREADY (*)(*)(*)(*)ING EATING, there are other methods to do this that dont involve anal penetration. You know there is a thing called a "Mouth" right?

Its blatantly obvious Reich Wingers are just trying to find any justification for torture they can, its not surprising, I mean afterall, you are Reich Wingers.

 

If that is the case we shouldn't be taking prisoners. Right? Well at least Obama doesn't think so, so what a few kids as collateral damage. Should we continue to use SERE training as part of military training since you consider it torture?

 

Of course there are lol But that doesn't make it some horrendous activity that we would never think to put a human being through. It's a valid recognized medical procedure that we have EXPECTED people to perform in the past.

You folks are trying to act like we're brutally torturing people by making them stand in corners with their hands stretched out or being forced to perform a medical procedure that doesn't cause any permanent problems and is nothing more than a legitimate way to get nutrients into a body. Let me guess, you think stressing someone out and running a power tool in his vicinity is horrendous torture?

I'm not sure what you're crying about. I've never said that torture shouldn't be engaged in, I don't think the government should hide it and I'm not STUPID enough to think that there's a country on earth that wouldn't BRUTALLY torture a prisoner to get what they wanted from him.

Our "torture" methods were absolutely childs play compared to the rest of the world. Which is why you don't see the rest of the world calling for Bush and Cheney's head consistently.

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And one more thing... why don't you define torture for me.

 

That quote is misattributed. Sun Tzu said you need to know your enemy to defeat him, he didn't say you need to become him. Draging us down to the level of savages isn't the way to win this fight. It would only create more enemies as more people get pissed at us. Instead we need to figure out what makes the enemy tick and how to use that against them. We've been figuringing out how they fight and adapting to that (MRAPS and armored HMMWVs for example). If we really want to defeat them however we need to defeat the idea. Brutalizing a bunch of dirt farmers isn't going to do that, in fact it will do the opposite.

 

We do but only when necessary.

 

Not see8ng your point. Oh, you think I think that it's ok because they are Democrats! Yeah no, my beliefs are my own not wrapped around a political party. Obama has more to answer for anyway what with ordering the death of US citizens without trial. Too bad none of them will be held accountable.

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Why would we not considering it's voluntary and done so soldiers can experience torture.

 

I think the government should use waterboarding under strict supervision with strict guidelines with a select inner circle group of criminals(not soldiers representing a nation), if there is a legitimate belief that a large scale criminal act is being planned against our country, if we believe it may extract information relative to that plot. The concern isnt about a domestic outcry, that doesnt mean a thing. The concern is for it being used as a recuiting tool, which is fueled by people like yourself that want to gleefully decry it as torture for perceived political gain. The irony is that the politcal gain hasnt really materialized itself if one is to believe polling on the subject. If the polls are to be believed, the majority of Americans seemingly support my viewpoint.

 

I have seen psychotic patients rectally rehydrated because they continued to pull their IV's out. I've also used rectal rehydration on many very young children to break their fevers too. While we're at it, there is an old nursing adage about giving enemas make 'em High and a Hellofalot. Makes for a good clean out.

 

A Caesarean Section is a common medical procedure, so surely you would have no problem performing a C-Section on you right? Its a common recognized medical procedure though!!! Oh, you dont need a C-Section though eh? Well those prisoners didnt need to be rectally rehydrated either you (*)(*)(*)(*). There was only one person they rectally rehydrated who was not eating, the rest of them were indeed eating and were already hydrated, those are facts.

You say we are not brutally torturing people here,

Than you say "I'm not STUPID enough to think that there's a country on earth that wouldn't BRUTALLY torture a prisoner to get what they wanted from him." So you say there is not a country on Earth who wouldnt BRUTALLY torture a prisoner to get information from them, except for America? Every single (*)(*)(*)(*)ing country in the world is evil and would brutally torture people, but not America? Wow, you really have drank the kool-aide havent you....Its a Dark elixir of Nationalism, as Chris Hedges rightfully calls it.

No need to delve into semantics, we all know what torture is. Anally penetrating a PoW against their will is torture, there is no debating that.

You guys are always on the wrong side of history The right defended slavery, now they are defending torture.....History is seriously your worst enemy, anyone who studies history with a open mind will see how truly evil and despicable the Reich Wing is and always has been.

 

The people are smarter than dems give them credit for on this issue.

 

Says who, you?

If you aren't willing to fight at a level your opponent understands, you'll lose.

They already despise us to the nth degree. How much more pissed can they get?

We know what makes them tick. They are savages and barbarians. To use that against them, you sometimes have to do it the way they would do it so they understand that you know what makes them tick.

Brutulizing them on a large scale will get the job done. If someone tried to rob me with a knife, they won't be met with a knife. They'll be met with a gun. I don't fight fair, I fight to win and will do whatever it takes to win even if you makes you weak kneed people squirm at the thought of what I have to do to get the job done.

 

This is absolutely insulting trash. You want to say I'm the problem because I demand accountability for torure programs you want kept secret? (*)(*)(*)(*) that. I hope you stay the hell away from power because you are clearly a dangerous individual. That you see the problem as people knowing about torture rather than the act itself shows me we have no where to go with this conversation. I honestly have no more to say other than (*)(*)(*)(*) you for insinuating that I, an Iraq veteran, support terrorism by my support of government accountability. Un(*)(*)(*)(*)ingbeleivable. I can't believe things have gone so low in this nation. As usual leave it to a right winger to make me lose faith in my nation and its people.

 

Was the poster's question too hard? Define torture. If you use words you should know what they mean.

And your anal reference is funny. It's only torture if the guy says no?

To compare waterboarding terrorists with slavery shows quite the dim of wit.

 

You think that having classified information is big governmentish? I think that is a preposterous characterization of classified information, and one you are using solely because you THINK it implies a level of hypocrisy. All governments, big and small, weak and powerful, have classified information. The amount of classified information goes up during times of war, and understandably so. There isnt one iota of hypocrisy in the desire for limited government, and simultaneously wanting war time tactics to be classified. The notion of that being hypocritical is silly.

I think terrorist organizations such as ISIS and Al Qaeda are doing everything in their power to be as cruel as is humanly possible. I find it unlikely that someone being waterboarded registers a blip on their radar screen, which is the point that you are willfully missing.

 

Do what I did and read the *******n book. No where does it say you need to fight at the level of your enemy, it says you need to know your enemy. That you think that we need to brutalize poor people in third world nations is (*)(*)(*)(*)ing astounding. You think that won't make them fight back?

Oh and believe me torture doesn't make me weak kneed, it makes me want to kill the torturer. I didn't serve so we could brutalize poor people so suck (*)(*)(*)(*)s like you could get your rocks off.

 

Based on your definition of "war", we will be at war forever because we are at war with terror, something that will never go away, so based on that why not just give all of our (*)(*)(*)(*)ing freedoms away eh? Its war time right? Bull(*)(*)(*)(*), its not war time, we are bombing people with no shoes on, thats hardly what I consider a actual war in the traditional sense. If we were fighting a huge superpower like Nazi Germany I might understand, but no we are fighting people who live in a desert and barley found out what phones are.

So because it doesnt matter to them, it shouldnt matter to us? What despicable "logic".

 

You said that "As for the terrorists our torture is a recruiting tool and yet another reason to hate America". If we assume that statement to be true, making that information known is the impetus that creates that recruting tool. Conversely, if that information is NOT known, that specific recruiting tool ceases to exist. Even if we assume that waterboarding to extract information is wrong for moral reasons, making that information known compounds that and makes it wrong for reasons of creating a recruiting tool. You may not like that reality, but it is reality nonetheless.

 

So we behead and amputate prisoners? I didn't know that.

 

Maybe the number would be lower if they knew the actual purpose of the torture program?:

Thread: Torture program used to seek Iraq-al Qaida link

Or maybe it's because many Americans just hate Muslims?

 

You take what you read the way you want and I'll take it the way I want you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing smartass. You don't have to like how I took it but you damn well better be willing to give the same consideration for my opinion of what it said as you demand I give yours.

If you aren't willing to do what it takes to win on behalf of this country, your service is about worth as much as the dog turds I picked up in my back yard today. We need people willing to do whatever it takes to win not giving in to those that would destroy us because we think it means they will be nice to us.

That you want to kill the torturer makes you worse than you say he is. I guess even dishonorable people make it in, too.

 

I'm thinking there's more to it that we don't know and by saying it didn't work, there will be no more digging. Just a guess, but the truth and the news are seldom the same.

I'm quite clear on the differences. I'm saying people try to paint each side with a very broad brush (like Republicans are racist, for example) and it gets tiring to see the yes you are, no I'm not fighting over the same tired accusations. I'm also very clear on my history and I don't know how to define myself. I see government from the inside every day and it's ignorant on both sides. Picking one or the other fits the definition of insanity because they both screw us, just in different ways. It's a pick-your-poison at election time, with neither being a good choice. The corporatocracy controls it all and we just get to watch and complain. Voting for "change" does little to nothing.

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Not at all.

 

Here's someone who's out there that has a different POV than you. And I agree with him. Do you disagree with him?



http://conservativetribune.com/green-beret-we-must-obliterate-isis/

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According to Schappert, it’s time to “destroy, not contain” this threat. He points out that the military is eager to handle this crisis, to protect those of us they have chosen to serve. He sends a message to our leaders: “Stop telling everyone what we WON’T do.” We need to take this situation seriously and not show weakness, letting our military do what they do best. Take action.