Shooting Down MH17-BUK 312 Story False-Ukraine Crew Member

Hopefully the Russian secret service found Voloshin and kidnapped him before the video became public. If not, I would fear for his life. I keep wondering if the Spanish controller is alive.

 

I don't know Jeannette. I believe if enough pressure is applied via alternative media outlets The Dutch government will be forced to take an action and officially interview the guy who allegedly shot MH17. It simply cannot be ignored. We've got the name of the pilot, the rank and the eye witness statement. They should be all interviewed as soon as it is practically possible. Of course, on condition that the pilot is still alive.

In addition it appears that the missing plane was also shot down by the U.S forces. There are credible reports going on around the net. Even corrupted mainstream media is acknowledging it as the real possibility. There are eye witnesses. In my view, Malaysia is paying the price for trying to be too independent. Moreover, Malaysia hosted the war crime tribunal were George W Bush Jr., Dick Cheney, Tony Blair and others were declared guilty of crimes against humanity. According to the verdict they are all war criminals.

 

Here is a full report and evidence presented by the Saker that debunks the Buk-M1 "missile plume" theory. I agree with the Saker that it is crucial that the truth about MH17 should not be buried, and that the criminals, both those who committed the crime, and those who are covering up the crimes should not be allowed to get away with it.

http://www.docdroid.net/oj8s/not-a-buk-final-copy.pdf.html
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Here is also a video of witnesses that was immediately pulled from the air by BBC. They did not allow it to be shown, nor can it be found on Youtube:

http://vimeo.com/111325917

As for me, no more evidence is needed than Obama's and Kerry's immediate accusations of Putin and the militia in order to forward their own political objectives. The State Department has offered no proof, even with its trillion dollars worth of satellites all over the skies. Right Kerry, we're supposed to 'trust' you.

 

the shrapnel holes in the plane prove it was downed by a BUK missile

 

I can't help but have suspicions that he might have been sent by the Ukrainian government to make the shoot down appear as an accident because they can't blame the militia anymore. Somehow what he's saying doesn't answer why the airliner was told to fly lower, etc.

Anyway here are some links from www.unz that should be of interest:

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_...n-and-the-centenary-of-world-war-i-.html#more

http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/07/19/black-boxes-dark-arts-geopolitics/

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...t-malaysian-airliner-guilt-clear-damning.html

 

yes, another paranoid conspiracy theory

 

The administration still refuses to make public its intelligence on who was responsible for the shoot down of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 considering its surveillance capabilities. Even the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity asked President Obama to release what evidence the U.S. government had on the shoot-down, including satellite imagery because it was embarrassing, not to mention lessened US's credibility throughout the world.

The Dutch report also did not answer anything. It only said that high velocity objects penetrated the aircraft from outside. It didn't mention anything about the Russian military radar showing a Ukrainian SU-25 jetfighter in the area, which the Kiev government immediately denied. Also it only referred to images after the crash, while the Russian military released images showing Ukrainian government Buk missile systems north of the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk before the attack, including two batteries that purportedly were shifted 50 kilometers south of Donetsk on July 17, the day of the crash, and then removed by July 18. The Ukrainian side simply denied it and said that the Russians want to disown this tragedy by drawing lots of pictures and maps.

Robert Parry of Consortium News was told in early August that some U.S. intelligence analysts had begun shifting away from the original scenario blaming the rebels and Russia to one focused more on the possibility that extremist elements of the Ukrainian government were responsible. He asked them recently if they still held this view, and they said yes. This confirms my personal belief that the person responsible and who had the most to gain from the shoot down was Gov. Ihor Kolomoisky who has his own private armies, and is a personal friend of Yulia Tymoshenko and the current administration in Washington. He is wanted by Interpol for the bombing of civilians in Slaviansk and using white phosperous and is under suspicion of being behind the hackings and burnings of people alive in the fire at Odessa.

[video=youtube;NrfKZUttEwE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrfKZUttEwE[/video]

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/01/19/the-danger-of-an-mh-17-cold-case/

 

Sounds conclusive.

 

Jeannette, its clear as a day that there are no any evidences of participation of pro russians in the tragedy, no matter how hard AboveAlpha is trying to pretend US is simply hiding their technologies of tracking-) Everyone who is sane knows he is bluffing, and USA wudnt lose the chance to prove the russians are guilty, but they simply cudnt, coz its hard to prove something that haven't been for real. They think they cud continue to fool whole the world but the world is waking up, enough to read the comments on Youtube, there are zillions of hatring comments about USA geopolitic moves.

I don't wait for reliable investigations from Holland - they don't have any facts which cud be used against Russia or without having them (that is obvious) they will delay results until their masters doesn't allow something to publish.

I am happy to see the world is wakes up, everyone is fed by Fashington propaganda, its their game over - pretty soon.

 

The US Government is not now nor ever has been run that efficiently. It couldn't even keep the A bomb secret more that a couple of years. I am not taking a side in this because I simply do not know what happened, I just think that US Intel capabilities are being way over estimated here. I am not say that the US doesn't have additional information just that it really may not.

 

That will be the same Spanish controller that never worked in Ukraine and in fact has never existed at all according to the training records of Spanish Air Traffic control. This story was as I understand initally lifted from a bogus twitter account and of course Russian propaganda desperately ran with it as long as they could

http://www.sott.net/article/282281-Who-is-Carlos-the-Spanish-air-traffic-controller-in-Kiev

Still flogging this old horse then

 

This really is a great documentary. I think that the western media should show it on their channels some time between 2000-2200. Nothing to fear from because the truth is on the western media side. No?

Reflections on MH17
Published on Jan 16, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwC9RJopkHU&x-yt-ts=1421914688&x-yt-cl=84503534

 

Hey flogger, lot's of contradictions here. First of all the article says that he's the one that started the rumor about two jets. Well I have news for him, eye witnesses saw the jets, and they can be seen on the Russian satellite pictures as well. This of course substantiates and gives credibility to his story. He also said that the Defense Department did not know of the accident but the Ministry of the Interior did...and that would be Averkof. He is the same person who together with Kolomoisky is wanted by Interpol for bombing civilians in Slaviansk and for using white phosphorous.

Seems Kiev has some very talented people. Not only can they shoot protesters and police at the same time, and not only do they know how to fake recordings and satellite images, but they can forge certificates as well.

 

How could this be ?

Witness.

http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/392452-current-events-rt-news-only.html

No more Edward R. Morrow or Walter Cronkite.
No more pride by an individual in journalistic integrity.
Nada. Gone like the Wind <fade to music>
Consider.

http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/392452-current-events-rt-news-only.html



Western News Media, Inc. is not representing the truth or news.
Whether PBS, NBC, BBC MSNBC or Fox too.
They all lack coverage of the "same stories" that can be verified online and heard on RT and sometimes
Al Jazeera too.
Witness or not.


Moi
I didn't see nothin'

r > g

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the stealth danger
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I find the best way to get a complete story, and to know what's going on in the world, is to get on some internet news sources and blogs...and there are some really great ones out there. The Washingtonsblog.com is one of the best.

 

Well given that the Spanish consulate in Ukraine have no record whatsoever of any Spanish Air Traffic controller being issued any work visa for Ukraine ever I think we can safely discount his story dont you ?

 

Of course they don't have any records in the Kiev consulate. Do you think they would risk their lives by saying otherwise? Seems you've never heard of the Ukrainian mafia?

 

Absolutely hilarious stuff ,now the Spanish are in on the big conspiracy too ! Pure comedy gold

 

Just as a matter of interest. Would anyone care to answer the question why the coroner's report about MH17 pilots' deaths is kept secret? Even their families are kept in the dark. Don't they deserve to know how their loved ones died? I think Malaysian forensics should be allowed to carry out another autopsy on pilots' remains.

 

A cursory examination of the damage to the cockpitt reveals the type of weapon used was from a Kievan plane. The coroner's examination of the pilots would reveal the same thing.

 

Yes all the holes had little 'Kievan' flags on them didn't they ?

 

Same question for you Flogger.

Would you care to answer the question why the coroner's report about MH17 pilots' deaths is kept secret? Even their families are kept in the dark. Don't they deserve to know how their loved ones died? I think Malaysian forensics should be allowed to carry out another autopsy on pilots' remains.

 

Obviously a german TV-Team interviewed the Russian chief developer of the Su-25, Vladimir Babak. He denied the possibility of MH17 shot down by SU25 and even another plan.
By his knowledge it must be shot by a BUK, of either Ukrainian, Russian or Seperatist origin.

As the story was written by a german TV-Team I only have a german languaged source, but Google may help.

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tagesschau.de%2Fausland%2Fmh17-ukraine-157.html&edit-text=

 

error.

 

Interesting. I can't find the story and the link you provided only seems to provide the story title but no the story itself?

The question that I would have though, is how did all those cannon shells holes and traces appear in the remnants of the airframe if not from an air to air source?

I would also add that the German intelligence agency, the BND, earlier prepared a report that cleared Russia of this atrocity. I'd need to do some searching if a citation is required for this, but will do if requested.