New Conflict between Israel and its Neighbours

I'm afraid we are heading for another full on conflict between the Lebanese resistance and the Israeli fascists 9 years after the former kicked the latter's ass.

 

As for kicking ass, a lot more Hezbollah fighters died than IDF. a lot more Lebanese civilians died than Isareli. A lot more Lebanese infrastructure was destroyed than Israeli. Seems your claim is a bit of wishful thinking exaggeration .


OTOH, Israeli military hubris got a lot of soldiers killed, and quite a few tanks were disabled, but one thing for certain is that if there is a next time, the IDF will do things entirely differently, while Hezbollah really are stuck with the same tactics since they cannot take the IDF head on. The Hezbollah advantage of surprise (tactics and weaponry) is wholly lost.

 

Totally agree with you there...

 

The resistance did it's job and Hezzbollah are stronger this time.

 

That is exactly what this thread is about. However, it is always preferable to use real examples.

For instance the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon started in a similar fashion:
** with Israel claiming that the reason was that the PLO had been responsible for an attempted assassination in London. Verifiable Fact.
** This was a lie. Verifiable Fact.
** The invasion was triggered because the PLO fired rockets at northern Israel. Verifiably Not a Fact
** because UN forces reported that there had been no rocket fire from Lebanon. Verifiable Fact.
** Israel was therefore the aggressor who started a slaughter of > 15 000 people in Lebanon. Verifiable Fact.

See how it works, Dutch?

 

No Jonsa. We are discussing this particular aggression by Israel after many months of calm along that border.
I know it hurts to be shown yet another example of Israeli aggression and ceasefire violating.

 

Says who?
Lebanon and Syria are not enemies. You need facts - that is clear. Try these:

Are you trying to tell me that the Israeli drones were fighting alongside their Syrian counterparts?

Sorry ... pure uninformed hasbara

 

Check this out:

That, friends, is how the Israeli propaganda system has worked so successfully over the decades. BS fed to the gullible who swallow it.

And the worst is that the USA will close its eyes, open its mouth, and swallow this Israeli hasbara by conditioned reflex, and will end up looking extremely foolish in the eyes of the informed. That naturally excludes most regular Faux News and CNN viewers.

Only slightly worse will be the relative silence from the rest of the Western media, BBC included, compared to the huge clatter it made when three Israeli teens were kidnapped.

I predict that in a week's time the Israeli drone attack will be buried and that same Western media will be screaming about Hezbollah's (unprovoked) attacks on Israel.

Which leads to intense frustration at the injustice of it all, and is why a few nutters chose to fly planes into tall buildings. I was shocked and surprised in 2001. No longer.

 

The cease fire conditions included - cease of hostileties between the Israeli and Lebanease border and no armed groups other than Lebanon official army on that border,

Hizbi's are not the official army of Lebanon and are on the border - that's the cease fire breach, Israel didnt attack Lebanon but Syria, it didnt attack Lebanon till Lebanon attacked it yesterday.

 

Are you making your own claims just to dispute them for the 3rd time now ?

The main item Israeli news talked about for the past week was how will Hizbi retaliate to Israel wiping their soldiers and commanders in Syria,

We are at war with those terror organizations and that never stops, our agreement with Lebanon is over now because Hizbi attacked from Lebanon rather than Syria, which is manily a tragedy for the Lebanease as their own official army commander said - Hizbi shouldnt have involved Lebanon with their retaliation.

 

Excellent!!
I am pleased that you agree that Israel started this latest fracas.

But then you lose the plot. Please inform yourself by reading the quoted bit in Post #32. It will help you not to make schoolboy errors.

That you choose to clothe this first-strike cross-border murder by Israel as a Hezbollah aggression is pathetic. Israel started it. Walk it off. Enough of the Hasbara .... pleeeeeeaaazze ... it is so clearly an attempt to gild a particularly obnoxious turd.

 

[MENTION=55667]Gilos[/MENTION]...You act as if the Israelis actions in Syria are legitimate. They are not. IDF is writing the most shameful pages in history of Israel by supporting genocidal maniacs in the shape of Al-Nusra/ISIS or whatever you want to call them. You are on the same side with people who behead children and women. As a matter of fact, anyone who doesn't share their view of the world.

What about a Spanish UN peacekeeper? Shouldn't Israel compensate his family? Just a thought.

 

And Im pleased you're pleased,

I didnt lose anything, Hizbi terrorists sniffing around our Syrian border making plans on us will not see the next day, as far as agreements go - Hizbi broke the agreement once they shot at us from the Lebanease border, the war on Hizbi and Hamas for that matter never stops until they sign a peace treaty.

 

They are not just legit they are nessesry , the Murniah nazi child wasnt there to fight Jihadists - others do that, his mission was Israel and Israel's mission is to gun such ppl down, now if he stayed in Lebanon our agreement would have protected him but he had to come to Konetra just a mile from Israel border.....

It may come as a supprise to you but not all Syrian rebels are Jihadists, some really are normal civilians that ran away from Assad and the Jihadists, they aree protected by the UN and Israel treats them. the "Israel supports the Jihadists" is the usual propaganda crap against Israel, I swear my horns on it.

 

It;s in the best interests of Israel to keep the fighting going, IMO.

 

I should stick to World of Warcraft if I were you. Real life is evidently too complicated for you to grasp.

 

It is very simple.
Hizabla violated the agreement with Israel 1000 times over.
let us do item by item :
- Disarmament of all armed groups in Lebanon.
Violated by Hizabla.
- No armed forces other than UNIFIL and Lebanese (implying Hezbollah and Israeli forces) will be south of the Litani River.
Violated by Hizabla
No foreign forces in Lebanon without the consent of its government
- Violated by Hizabla.

And now Hizabla attacked Israel from Lebanon killing and wounding Israeli army personnel.

Don't come crying to the UN, while violating every item in the UN agreement you singed on, when Israel strikes back with full force.

 

Yes. I'll remind you of this the next time Israel goes whining to the UN, despite being a serial violator of the laws and regulations a signatory to the UN Charter is bound to abide by and uphold. Fair enough?

 

Israel's actions since the initial Syrian uprising right through to what the conflict amounts to today, a Western/Saudi backed attempt at regime change, are actions that have been taken to weaken and undermine the Syrian governments legitimate resistance to the largest and most existential example of conventional modern day terrorism. I.S and Al-Qaeda.

One can conclude that such circumstances only go to show that Israeli actions are tantamount to aiding and reinforcing the terrorism of I.S and Al-Qaeda by attacking forces of secularism and Arab nationalism which oppose them.

Given that on top of this there are videos circulating purporting to show Israelis treating wounded Syrian/I.S fighters, Israel and Saudi-Arabia's hate of all religious sects aligned with political Shia Islam and each states tolerance of the other, and what we have here is Israel and Saudi-Arabia the worlds largest sponsors, backers and perpetrators of terrorism pursuing a geopolitical strategy of divide and conquer in the region, whilst playing our politicians like puppets with their money.

 

I see another thing that happens very often in these conflicts. Some people find a way to blame Israel for an attack on its national sovereignty.

 

Okay, how about the fact that the Israelis believed that the appearance of LEBANESE Hezbollah along with an IRANIAN General near the Golan border in SYRIA, was all about plotting and planning for opening another front against the evil Israelis?

Since Iran is the main arms supplier to Hezbollah, which is nothing more than a heavily armed gang of NON-STATE thugs, and Iran is the SWORN enemy of Israel, (pardon me the Israeli regime), the question of who is aggressing and violating a ceasefire agreement is rather moot.

How do you reconcile the fact that this supposed "aggression" occurred in a third country that is currently in a state of maximum clustermuck?
What were the noble fighters of Hezbollah and IRI doing in a country they had NO BUSINESS being in?

You might also want to consider that few months of quiet is NOTHING in a generational conflict.

And I have absolutely no problem with aggression in this conflict when it is purposeful AND successful like the bombing raid in Syria.

I am sure you have no problem with arab aggression when it is purposeful and successful either.

It isn't your fault nor mine that in the vast majority of instances arab purposes seem to be either annihilation or selfish revenge and their success rate is questionable.

the never ending cycle of retaliation in search of revenge or punishment is the perpetual motion engine of this conflict.

 

Israel drove all those Muslim refugee out of the West Bank into Lebanon in 1948 and 1967... Turned the demographics of Lebanon upside down... and how many times have they tried to take the Rivers of Lebanon????

 

So you move to rivers now? What happened to the olive trees that you love so much?

There are consequence to losing wars. Easy solution for the arab: Stop losing wars with Israel and there won't be any refugee problems.

 

Boy, have you got it all wrong.. The Saudis were p*ssed at the US for attacking Iraq and putting Iran in the catbird seat. That destabilized the whole region.

 

Uh yah. You are English too. Dang there are a lot of English on this board, Trout, Snake. The English expression gives you away.

Oy.

Oops I must be Jewish...er no I could be saying hi in Cockney.