The word lifestyle

That's the thing about living in America. Everything single freaking thing you say offends someone and they get all kinds of upset.

I wish people would learn to do two things.

Grow a think skin and not let themselves be upset.

And learn something called common courtesy and maturity.

But that's never going to happen because Americans are still in Africa.

 

Yes he is. He proves that the concept of homosexuality was understood and it wasn't considered mental illness.

 

The Bible calls homosexuality a sin and is abhorrent to God. It states we are to turn our backs and repent of our sins. For sin brings death. Based on the medical science and statistics, it would seem the Bible had it correct 4,000 years ago.

 

It actually doesn't. But I'm sure you are far too brainwashed to accept that. So laboring under your delusion, let's say that it does.

Sin doesn't equal mental illness.

This doesn't really have any relevance to the discussion.

 

The Bible does record God calling homosexuality, adultery and lust a sin in a number of verses. Sion does not equal mental illness, but the APA has called it a mental disorder and should be treated.

 

It actually doesn't record anything regarding homosexuality. But again I'm sure you are far too brainwashed to accept any thing other than your delusion.

I read it the first thousand times you wrote it. That statement hasn't gained any more relevance.

Why was it ever considered a mental illness in the first place? What studies occurred? What evidence was presented?

 

Wow!

You pretty much nailed how folks with anti-gay mindsets use those terms, and reminded me of WHY I shoot them down at every opportunity. Depending upon the attitude of the person throwing it out there... I accomplish that using specific approaches.

 

I often see it as a baiting or red herring tactic. They want the argument to move into a discussion about whether homosexuality is a choice or not. Which isn't really relevant if you think about it. What somebody chooses to do is their business.

And as far as marriage goes the choice nonsense doesn't really make a difference there either. If we look at the arguments about marriage in the past, it was always based on the same choice. People could have chosen not to marry somebody of a different race religion or age group.

Choice is freedom people who are against choice are against freedom.

 

You're correct.

And I tend to go after the "choice" thing first. I can explain that well to people now; why I know it isn't a choice. At least they stop trying to use that as a red herring when I'm talking to them. There is something I relate to them from my personal life, which compels them to think about how 'certain' they are it's some "choice".

I cannot reveal that here, because it is something that could betray my privacy, and the confidence of others I know.

 

Don't go for the red herring. So what if it's a choice. You and I know it's not and somebody that knows nothing about it will say what they wish.

Let's say for a second that being homosexual is a choice. And I wish to marry somebody of the same sex based on that choice. It's no different than choosing to marry somebody of a different race or religion. They got the right to do it as will we.

Whether it's a choice or not isn't really relevant to any discussion of rights.

 

Not to destroy your argument so easily, but every mental illness predates the time it was actually labeled mental illness.

Derp.

 

1. The Bible does address homosexuality. It could not use the word itself because it was not coined until the 1800s by a female German psychiatrist.

It does describe behavior, and it does condemn it.

There is two thousand years of tradition and a huge body of writing in support of it.

In any large group you will always have nay sayers.

one of the huge problems with the Bible is that it is so open to interpretation. If it were the perfect piece of work that Christians claimed it was,

Saying it doesn't and drawing the few that disagree is not really being open minded to the possibility that you could be wrong. And no, I'm truly not trying to be insulting here.

2, Here's an article for you to consider on how Homosexuality was considered a mental illness in the first place:

http://www.aglp.org/gap/1_history/

 

It doesn't really harm my argument. Because my argument is that there never was a reason for homosexuality being listed as a mental illness in the first place.

If there was a reason I'd love to hear it.

 

It doesn't. In Any words.

Please post chapter and verse?

There isn't even a thousand years of tradition in this.

Okay.

I'm not insulted. Not really worried about the people who disagree. I'm open to the possibility that I may be wrong, but I haven't seen the juice so to speak.

It doesn't really explain why it was a mental illness. It explains why people mistakenly labeled it as such.

 

Uh... no, your statement was this:

So I just pointed out how that applies to every illness. Mental, physical, virtual, whatever.

The symptoms appeared before any of them were labeled "illness".

Wasn't arguing with you... because there is nothing to argue.

I wouldn't know, I don't agree with the claim... but the American Psychiatric Association sure did. You may want to ask them.

 

Um...no, still doesn't effect my argument.

You are arguing with me. See above.

The APA corrected their mistake 32 years later. So I don't think it's relevant to ask them.

 

"Explaining"

You're free to believe illnesses are considered illnesses before the first symptoms are ever diagnosed.
I won't argue against a life of ignorance for others.
Just not the way I choose to live.

Yet you find it relevant to ask me.

They called you mental... I haven't.

Makes sense.

 

Of course the Bible states homosexuality is a sin. And it states it is abhorrent to God. Now you may have the Sodomite's Bible where that is not included, but celebrated, I don't know.

 

Your red herring fallacy of equating your activism with racial, creed or gender discrimination is lame and ridiculous at best.

 

It doesn't.

So the king James, New American standard and dental other widely used bibles are as you put it, " the sodomite bible?" That's strange, I know the bibles are slightly different but I wasn't aware that it was called the sodomite bible.

 

I didn't equate activism with any such thing.

I said that choosing to marry somebody of the same sex is just like choosing to marry somebody of a different race.

Thus this nonsense about it being a choice is irrelevant.

Choice is freedom. You are against choice.

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You butted into a conversation to argue with me about nothing as you said, and claimed you aren't arguing when clearly you are.

Your point was noted it wasn't relevant. Move on get a life, or don't.

 

You follow your form of Christianity and others will follow theirs. The fact of the matter is hilarious that either follow a book in which stories were written, picked and chosen from man to be in the bible in the first place.

 

I once ran across some goof who stupidly claimed God was talking about people who were not born gay.

That they shouldn't lie with men, etc. But it was OK for those who already were.

No really... he said that, and people laughed.

Of course, he also constantly says the Bible doesn't mention homosexuality at all, so his expertise on the Bible is basically nil.

 

[h=1]1 Corinthians 6:9-11King James Version (KJV)[/h]9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 

So thanks for proving 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Says nothing about homosexuality.

I haven't seen anything in the scripture that says not to have a relationship with somebody of the same sex.

Feel free to post more scripture that doesn't support your claim.