USA gave nukes to Israel

Indeed. My niece attends a Jewish primary school (Synagogue) near where I live in Finchley and many local (mainly Jewish) residents within the local community have campaigned against the local Tory MP Mike Freer's scare mongering tactics in which he raised concerns regarding the supposed increased threat to local synagogues in the area. This campaign addressed the issue of Freer's proposed policy of increasing "security" at these establishments.

At best, local people are indifferent to the neoZionist propaganda and with justification. The recent Community Security Trust (CST) report which claims to highlight the recent rise in antisemitism in the UK and provided the ammunition for the thugs on BBCs Question Time programme to libel George Galloway ( more on that in due course), is a neoZionist fraud perpetrated on the British people.The CST report is here:

http://www.thezionion.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Incidents-Report-2014.pdf

As this fascinating article by Aaron Dover suggests, the entire antisemitism panic we witness in the UK is a driven by a crude conscious manipulation of numbers and statistics:

http://www.thezionion.com/2015/02/08/the-fraudulent-rise-in-uk-antisemitism/

It's also important to point out that the neoZionist CST has a record of dubious political activity. See, for example, here:

http://electronicintifada.net/content/revealed-uk-government-plotted-israel-lobby-ban-salah/10458

And here:

http://antonylerman.com/2014/08/08/...defending-israel-a-potentially-explosive-mix/

Just to reiterate, although the CST report makes great play of more than 1,000 recorded “attacks”, very few of them – 84 to be precise – involved a physical assault. The great majority were classified as “harassment”, a broad category that could include remarks against Israel).

But that didn't stop the attempts of the QT thugs to shout down George Galloway on the flagship BBC programme. Against the recent backdrop of Charlie Hebdo, the quest to silence Galloway had a particularly hollow ring to it and some viewers have subsequently tweeted 'Je Suis George' in response to the neoZionist thugs.

Galloway has complained about the BBC and Israeli apologist for ethnic cleansing and co-panelist Jonathan Freedland’s behaviour, accusing the broadcaster of setting him up. He has written a scathing piece about his experience here:

http://redmolucca.net/2015/02/09/reflections-on-question-time-of-5th-february-2015/

The CST report which gave rise to the harassment of Galloway occurred after a member of the audience went off script during a question about the so called rise in anti-semitic attacks – the episode begins at 39.15 minutes into the video below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guAjF0csFI0

All of the panelists, including Galloway, went to great lengths to express concern about attacks on Jews. However, it was entirely predictable that none of them except Galloway noted that Muslims were, in fact, the group most in danger of hate speech and physical attacks in the UK.

 

84 physical attacks is 84 too many and just skimming the CST report the ones they report are pretty nasty. However these are 84 crimes and if England are the same as Scotland that will be 84 crimes with an extra sentence for being motivated by ethnicity.

Regarding Galloway, I saw the Question Time - the one thing I was interested in knowing was why he believed that Israel was responsible for The Maidan!! He actually held himself firm and the last speaker said he did not believe he was antisemetic. That was a Finchley audience. I thought a bit more pro Israel than some.

I have read a lot of Lerman and know he considers the CST to be over the top and indeed asking people to basically look for antisemitism but it was not the CST who I was speaking about in regard to deliberately creating an atmosphere of danger for Jews in Britain. Antisemitism always goes up when Israel goes to war and we see children being killed daily on our TV's. It does this partly because some people are unable to differentiate between Jews here and Israel. As jfjfp pointed out this is not helped by the traditional Jewish agencies here which claim to be speaking for all our Jews and say they stand 100% behind Israel's actions. Jfjfp argue that clearly they are not in agreement with what Israel does and so they are immediately an illustration to British people that it not all Jews agree with what Israel does. They also say that they believe they represent a sizeable section of the Jewish community and have been working with Muslims who after the surprise at actually meeting a Jew and discovering they do not all back Israel become good friends and even are willing to believe in the holocaust!

http://jfjfp.com/?p=66611

Now I can remember that during the Summer attack Israeli supporters were only able to muster about 200 people for their protest and according to people who heard them did not sound like they believed in what they said. That shows a marked difference from the number of Israeli supporters who went out at the first Intifada and goes along with what the link I gave before said.

http://jfjfp.com/?p=68234

The author also says regarding their own experience of antisemitism at this time

http://jfjfp.com/?p=68234

That basically seems to be the situation. Into this came a new organisation 'The Campaign Against Antisemitism' and it is their research which I think was bought by TMay which has been proven to be worth basically nothing and which presented the ridiculous notion of Britain being as dangerous as Germany in the 1930's. That is what has got people into a flurry about antsemitism. If I remember correctly 40% or more of our Jews are supposed to be thinking of moving to Israel. When the CST was asked about this on tv they were obviously a bit muffled as already this was causing arguments in the Jewish community. Eventually he said that 10% of British Jews had thought about moving to Israel - so 90% of British Jews have never even given the idea of moving to Israel a thought. That report and the talk after it is I think where propaganda concerning antisemitism comes from and as I have been following it it is Jews more than anyone else who have been arguing against it. Where there is antisemitism it needs to be met and dealt with but certainly during the Summer attack there was a lot of thought that it needs to be addressed in a different way to how it was before because generally it has nothing to do with classical antisemitism but related to the actions of Israel.

There does seem to be a campaign of exploiting antisemitism as I said earlier linked to Israel's desire for Europe's Jews.

I have to end this now. Been ill the past two weeks and still not too well and this could go on for ever. We do need to work to stop antisemitism which is on the rise if nothing like the Campaign on Antisemitism would have us believe! In the light of what is going on at the moment I'd just like to leave a link of how Muslims and Jews can work together

http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-...aim-model-for-muslim-cooperation-2014-10?IR=T

 

Some US traitors were involved in concocting Bibi's "Clean Break" strategy. Then they somehow got involved in writing the PNAC strategy as they oozed into the GW Bush administration. Richard Pearl, Cheney's right hand man Scooter Libby and that little traitor Douglas Feith are all Israeli spies.

 

Get well soon. Of course 84 is 84 too many (one is too many) but that doesn't negate the fact that the CST statistics have been deliberately distorted in order to give the false impression that antisemitism is on the rise in the UK. As Aaron Dover points out in his article, the reports methodology was deeply flawed. For example, incidents are broken down into categories. The numbers of incidents are then totalled up arithmetically to produce the annual time series which formed the basis of evidence of a sharp rise in 2014. It equates an act of “extreme violence” with an act of “abusive behaviour”. That would mean that a year in which 500 Jews were brutally murdered but none insulted would be a “good year” for antisemitism compared to a year in which 1000 were insulted and none murdered. It’s a ridiculous methodology.

Another obvious issue Dover highlights is that the most numerate incidents, the “abusive behaviour” are not incidents that are considered hate crimes and so have not been subject to police investigation or verification. If I phone the CST and say “I am a Jew and a guy called me a fat Jew on the bus” it would simply be noted as an incident. If the unverifiable undefined “abusive behaviour” category is discounted then we find that the totals are now around the same as they were in 2004, and lower than 2009. The CST agreed with the police as to what would go into the government report. You can download the report here:

http://www.thezionion.com/wp-conten...nment_Action_on_Antisemitism_final_24_Dec.pdf

What you can see is that the CST systematically estimate higher numbers of hate crimes than police, by around 100% this year down from a 32% overestimate compared to police in 2009. But even looking at their systematically overstated figures, there is no increase. Both the police and CST figures show a consistent significant downward trend over the last 5 years.

So, neither report supports the supposed (i.e. media-manufactured) “consensus” that there has been an unprecedented increased in antisemitic incidents in 2014.

Combine with the above a survey conducted by the Campaign Against Anti Semitism which purported to show an increased fear of antisemitism amongst Jews, and then you have a complete media narrative on which to base dozens of scare stories. The whole premise is totally false.

It is often the case with crime in general that perception of crime rates increasing often occurs even as crime rates decrease. Such is the power of our media to create fictional narratives to serve tacit political agendas.

As far as Galloway and Ukraine is concerned, Freedland said that he had claimed “Israel was behind the revolution (sic) in the Ukraine”. This is false. What he said on a TV programme was that the Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz had run a feature on at least two Israeli army reservist officers who themselves boasted of their role in the fighting in the Maidan coup against elected government of the Ukraine, prior to the overthrow of the President, the burning of the Parliament and the holding of guns to the heads of the parliamentarians to force them to validate the coup.

In that television broadcast last year he pointed out the irony of Israel army officers lending their military expertise to a “revolution” the cutting edge of which was provided by (and seen by all to be) ultra right wing Ukrainian nationalists and several thousand explicit fascists who held aloft the portrait of their historic leader Stepan Bandera who openly collaborated with the Nazi occupation forces and herded Ukrainian Jews into the cattle trucks bound for the death camps. Thus a statement of Galloway's attacking antisemitism and the Holocaust was transformed by Freedland into a charge on Galloway's indictment for antisemitism.

I agree with the thrust of the rest of your commentary.

 

In 2014 Afghanistan got more US foreign aid and Israel was second on the list.. You all are still on the dole and damned ungrateful and uncooperative.

 

The neoZionist's regularly bite the hand that feeds them and there will come a point in time where the U.S will say enough is enough. Israel is like a mad dog straining on the leash of its master that sometimes manages to break free. It's this unpredictability that explains why the colonial settler state is accorded its pariah epithet. Increasingly, leading figures within the U.S political establishment grasp this truism.

 

I'll look into this when I have time. It would be unusual for there not to be a spike in a year that Israel attacked Gaza. There has certainly been media hype and questioning about antisemitism but unlike you I have not seen this as a consensus rather some people saying 'antisemitism has gone through the roof' and others saying 'what are you talking about?' The particular one about the CST and the number of Jews who wanted to go to Israel being one. He clearly wanted to say a large number did but also knew it was not true and that people knew that.

It certainly has appeared to me that there is something disingenuous going on and that it has a political motivation.

Ah, I was just curious as to what was behind it. I did a search and discovered that there were Jews there who had fought in Cast Lead and they thought their experience was needed and yes they were under the people you mention but they claimed that there was no antisemitism there and the reason they did not like them was because they were no use. Thanks for clarifying that. I do not think Galloway came over as antisemetic but that one made him sound like a conspiracy theorist.

 

Bad for the world.

 

Can y do better and explain why is for Israel to have nukes is bad for the world? Are they gonna drop one on Gaza city anytime soon?

 

Bad for your islamofascist world, to be more precise. Lol Israel has nukes and you're SCREWED.

 

“Israel today concentrates the genius of the Jews. Obscured by the prevalent media narrative of the “war-torn” Middle East, Israel’s rarely-celebrated feats of commercial, scientific, and technological creativity climax the Jews’ twentieth-century saga of triumph over tragedy. Today tiny Israel, with its population of 7.23 million, five and one-half million Jewish, is second only the United States in technological contributions. In per capita innovation, Israel dwarfs all nations. The forces of civilization in the world continue to feed upon the intellectual wealth epitomized by Israel.

Today in the Middle East, Israeli wealth looms palpably and portentously over the middens of Arab poverty. But dwarfing Israel’s own wealth is Israel’s contribution to the world economy, stemming from Israeli creativity and entrepreneurial innovation. Israel’s technical and scientific gifts to global progress loom with similar majesty over all others’ contributions with the sole exception of the United States.”

Excerpt From: Gilder, George. “The Israel Test.” Encounter Books, 2012. iBooks.

When I discovered this book, I could not put it down until I read it twice. It's on the money. You will forgive me if I use quotes from it now and then? 😜

 

Whilst Zionist achievements in the fields you described are unquestionable, Gilder's adherence to the concept of intelligent design and his opposition to Darwinism give credence to his credentials as a right-wing Zionist zealot who readily perpetuates the kinds of Zionist myths that the said adherence implies. Of course this ties into to his commitment to the kind of neocon politics, the ideology of which is consistent with helping to reinforce his strident Zionist beliefs.

Also overlooked is the fact that the advances made by the Zionists in the late 19th/early 20th century could not have been achieved without the backing of one of the major imperialist powers who were at that time carving up the world between them.

So the religious Jewish aspiration for the Biblical "promised land" could only be achieved as part and parcel of a commitment to a modernising political programme that is aligned to the kind of free market economic ideology espoused by the equivalent of Gilder's, namely Herzl.

In other words, Herzl's declaration that the formation of a Jewish State would form "a portion of the rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism" is concomitant to the modern neoZionist ideology of Gilder's in terms of recognising Israel to be part of the system of colonial domination of the rest of the world.

 

I think this is BS.
Anyways you can be sure, if some Muslim country try to nuke Israel, there will be no Haj for the next 30,000 years.

 

Israel is the USA's best ally ever.

The USA and Israel regard Iran as a clear and present danger.

Iran is the global epicentre of Islamic Terrorism and is developing nukes to destroy Israel and the USA.

The USA and Israel reserve the right, in accordance with international law, to defend themselves PRE-EMPTIVELY, from Iranian IslamoNukes.

 

Spoken like a true physcopath! No wonder there is anti Semitimism raising up in the EU. They should strap Mr. Cleveld to the first rocket they launch.

 

We have already witnessed a couple of them.
Certainly history points out that the Zionist love to amp up anti Semitimism to force more Jews to join their cause.
Recently close to my home a Jewish neighborhood was vandalised. At first I thought maybe the KKK or Nazi skinheads were back in town...but after reading about how Israel needs more pawns I think it is more likely just a scheme by the Zionist to get young American Jews to join their cause. It was an attack on middle or working class Jews. They left the mansions and high borns alone. No need to scare or (*)(*)(*)(*) off the wealthy Jews they don't fight WARS they fund them.
http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Madison-police-investigating-string-of--291962761.html?device=tablet&c=y

 

And there will be no Israel, ever. It's what the sensible among us know as 'lose/lose'.

 

Exactly, now do you think those who talk about the destruction of Israel can understand that simple idea ?

 

I have heard this rant before, maybe on Fox news.... or CNN... Orwell called it double speak. The right to defend themselves preemptively. Was it Julius Caesar that invented the preemptive defense technique? Wasn't he a tyrant?

 

The history of Zionism shows us that powerful Zionists will exploit given political situations in their attempts to increase the colonization of Israel. The exaggerated antisemitic claims of neoZionist propagandists post Charlie Hebdo of the kind you highlighted, are intended, as you say, to increase the Jewish demographic of Israel.

This follows an historical pattern. After 1917, the colonization process accelerated considerably. Jewish organizations bought up large areas of land from absentee landlords, displacing large numbers of Palestinian peasants. The Zionists also began building an exclusively Jewish "enclave" economy, organized around the Histadrut–the general confederation of Hebrew workers in Palestine.

In the 1930s, the rise of fascism in Europe gave a further boost to Jewish immigration, even though most Jews had no interest in moving to Palestine. Zionism was still very much a fringe movement among Jews, and only 8.5 percent of Jewish migrants went to Palestine during this period. The number would have been even smaller if countries such as the U.S. and Britain had not had racist immigration policies that excluded most Jews. The refugees who did arrive in Palestine, however, strengthened the settler community.

The reality is (neo)Zionism and antisemitism represent two sides of the same coin and hence both feed off each other. As Ralph Schoenman notes in 'The Hidden History of Zionism', "the Zionists needed the persecution of the Jews to persuade Jews to become colonizers afar, and they needed the persecutors to sponsor the enterprise".

To this end, the Zionists frequently collaborated with the fascists in Nazi Germany. In 1933, the Zionist Federation of Germany sent a memorandum of support to the Nazis:

"On the foundation of the new [Nazi] state which has established the principle of race, we wish to fit our community into the total structure so that for us, too, in the sphere assigned to us, fruitful activity for the Fatherland is possible."

(Quoted in Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators (Westport, Conn.: Lawrence Hill & Co., 1983, pp. 48—49).

Later that year, the World Zionist Organization congress defeated a resolution for action against Hitler by a vote of 240 to 43.

Leading Nazis like Joseph Goebbels wrote articles praising Zionism, and some Zionists received Nazi funds. A member of the Haganah, a Zionist militia in Palestine, delivered the following message to the German SS in 1937:

"Jewish nationalist circles…were very pleased with the radical German policy, since the strength of the Jewish population in Palestine would be so far increased thereby that in the foreseeable future the Jews could reckon upon numerical superiority over the Arabs."

(As above, p.99).

 

I have to assume that you never heard of Van Creveld.............

 

This is a classic example of how yet another thread strayed from its original premises to be used as a platform to engage in comments that have nothing to do with Israel and nuclear weapons, but has now become a pretext to attack and attribute negative characteristics to Jews.

 

Judaism/Jews and neoZionism/neoZionists are not synonymous.

 

My Islamofascist world? What? You wouldn't know sense if you were to smash your face into it, I am not an Islamophile.