BREAKING: ISIS Just Captured al-Asad Air Base Where 300 U.S. Marines Could Be Trapped

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  1. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One can say that America and it Constitution were not founded upon an Oligarchy. Our founding fathers warned against this very thing. Sadly the politics of Democracy have led directly to this. I have to reluctantly agree with your analysis. Can we ever return to the Democracy our founders ideas? I don't know. At least in my lifetime it will not happen. I can only hope that my children and my great grandchildren may one day see the return to a truly American way of life.
     
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    Well, let's hope so.
     
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    The problem is the war was supposed to be between Sunni and Shia but both Sunni and Shia target Christians, Americans, Japanese, Coptics, Yahzidi and other minorities. Maybe, the West should just concentrate in protecting none Muslims and allow the Sunnis and Shia to slaughter each other?
     
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    As depressing as your post is, I reluctantly agree with you. What the post Iraq situation highlights is the fact that underlying deep sectarian hatreds have been brought out in to the open with no dictator in place to keep these antagonisms contained. Ideally, we shouldn't have invaded Iraq but we are where we are. The best policy now is for us to remove ourselves from the regional conflicts and let the people involved find their own equilibrium. It'll be messy for sure, but having said that the alternative will be even uglier where peace of sorts will be ultimately achieved as a result of the creation of a wilderness - which is in reality no peace worth its salt.
     
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    Isil does not have the firepower to take the base. American bombers would obliterate them if they attempted to attack the base in mass. I can't see how isil can possibly win this fight. I predict it'll be a worse defeat for them than kobane.
     
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    I would agree that region can only be rule by force. The mistake was the USA thought the Arabs are ready for democracy.

    There seems to be an indifference in acting against extremist in the Middle East and in the West or North America. The West will take all necessary steps including military to defeat any extremist threat at home they have shown this against Nazi Germany, against Soviet threat "Cuban crisis" against Imperial Japan with two atomic bombs. In the Korean war a full military action that include all out bombings, in Vietnam the carpet bombing of Hanoi. In the Boston bombing an all out dragnet that include shoot to kill anyone this include civilians for resisting police or military orders. But in the Middle East there is a different policy it seems to be more hit and run no demand for unconditional surrender or else?
     
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    The problem is the USA do not have the will. They can if they wanted to they can obliterate Taliban, Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Boko Haram, ISIS if they treat those threats like they would at home.
     
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    That didn't work out very well for the often called first gulf war that fought between Iraq and Iran.
     
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    The USA played two face in that war the USA supported both Iraq (Saddam) and Iran (Khomeini).
     
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    You stated my point.
     
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    Your are right, he wasn't appeasing the right, he was appeasing the entire country. But he couldn't even do that until a lot of righties turned on the war.
     
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    One can say that, but you'd be way too kind to the founding fathers.
     
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    i chuckled at the OP post before even clicking on it. taking Al Asad even from the iraqi army alone would probably take all of IS's resources, forget the marine and navy assets already there.
     

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