Poll: majority of Americans now favor sending ground troops back to Iraq

Who are you kidding? They dropped their weapons and ran like scared children from ISIS. You assume that the people wanted us out. Take a look at this map and tell me if the people want us back, not the govt.

 

See, there is this thing called a power vacuum. If we pull out, without a competent and friendly government in place, there is a great chance that forces unfriendly to us will fill that vaccum. And they have. We are target number one to ISIS. I can guarantee you there is nothing they want more than to kill as many Americans as they possibly can before they die. Does that answer your question?

I bet most Iraqis wish we were back there patrolling their streets now.

 

Yeah that is ''IF'' they weren't negotiate. Do you have full proof they were not? Of course not. but we do know one thing, Obama didn't care to try.

While we were there there was nobody to topple, we had them under control. We should have finished the job of training the Iraqi's to give them a true chance at the democracy they wanted. But again, because Obama left them half cocked and untrained groups like ISIS took over after we left.

Stop ignoring reality, I feel horrible for you.

 

That was 2011, not 2008, where Iraqis would have had convenient and scattered populations of American soldiers on bases where they outnumbered the Americans to either kill or take hostage.

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And how are we in danger now? What actual threat does ISIS pose to our nation or people?

 

Do you have any evidence that they were? There is not such thing as negative evidence. The party making the positive claim has the burden of proof. If the Iraqis were willing to negotiate as you claim, you should present evidence of that.

 

And we left last year and the map shows the results. 'Mission accomplished' Obama. So how do you think the Iraqis like that map?

 

Obama has been such a staggering failure that I'd bet that many of those polled just wish they could turn back the clock on EVERYTHING he's done since he took the 2008 election.

Yes, we miss W.

He loved America and would never do anything to intentionally harm America or Americans.

He is a good Christian man and a great leader!

We didn't know how good he was when he left.

We do now!

If we'd have followed W's advice ISIS would not have taken over any parts of Iraq.

God, what a long, long lastingly disastrous and ugly two remaining years this cancerous regime looks to be.

Ugh!

 

They can plan, fund, train for and execute attacks on western targets including the US. Think 9-11, but they have access to greater resources.

Not only that, but soon they will be a threat in a conventional sense to Israel and Italy. They need to be dealt with now.

 

I never claimed the Iraqis were in fact willig to negotiate, stop with the Bryan Williams routine.

Please state where I said that the Iraqis were 100% ready to negotiate, or call yourself a liar for trying to make false claims of what I said.

I said president Obama and the government have the power to negotiate, but they never tried. So we will never know if the Iraqis wanted to negotiate or not.

So please, make up more lies.

 

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*) they have the resources to pull of another 9/11. You need to actually support that with evidence if you are going to make that claim.

 

If you have no evidence that Iraqis were willing to negotiate then why should I or anything else consider the possibility?

 

I will take that as a victory since you did not challenge the truth that you attempted to lie about what I said.

Secondly you can not have your cake and eat it too. You have no evidence that they would not have negotiated.

The point being we will never know because OBAMA did not care to try. We failed the Iraqi's, and Obama is part of that whether you like it or not.

 

Um, Robert Gates, the SECDEF during the time, says right there in his memoirs that he thinks there was a blown opportunity to negotiate, that many Iraqi leaders wanted a SOFA, but pressure and bribes from the Iranians convinced them to vote otherwise. Obama should have tried harder; Iran got one over on us on the SOFA deal.

So yeah, we can know whether they would have negotiated. I'm not sure what more Questerr wants than the words of a SECDEF who served the country for generations in both parties.

 

It wasn't "Iraqis expressing their sovereignty"; it was Iran acting against US interests just as they have been since 1979, and just as they did during the Iraq and Afghan wars by undermining our victory at any opportunity, whether it be facilitating the movement of insurgents and/or terrorists into the war zones, or arming them with weapons such as the EFP, which greatly increased US casualties. Then, after they have operated against us during war for a decade, contributing to our loss, they swoop in during the withdrawal terms and undermine us yet again by bribing and putting pressure on Iraqi parliament members to vote no on the SOFA.

I'm not sure what you consider "danger", but I would say the Iranians deserve a lot of credit for both our loss in Iraq, and the disagreeable terms afterward. If people weren't so quick to jump on their own leader and blame Bush, they would have seen this happening since day one of the war.

Iran won the Iraq war. And we didn't so much as say a word about it, because we were too busy blaming ourselves.

 

In the absence of evidence, the null hypothesis should be accepted as true.

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Because Iran controls the entire Iraqi government?

 

You tried to lie about what I said, you said I have to prove an assertion that I never made in the first place, then you act as if you have to prove nothing of yours.

And in the end....you still got owned but something neither of us knew by another poster. Still you will not man up and take a loss, the premise of lies must keep going on your part no matter how much of the truth is slapping you in the face.

Obama didn't try, he is a failure just like Bush when it comes to Iraq.

 

LOL, It didn't take a whole hell of a lot of resources to pull off 9-11. Plane tickets, some flight training, probably some contacts already in the country. The rest is just planning and coordination. What is there to support? There is probably similar attacks already in the works. It is definitely not far fetched.

 

That whole "nobody was watching for them thing" helped. The same cannot be said for ISIS or any other terrorist group today.

 

Holy crap, have you heard any news about our southern border lately? A damned ISIS battalion could waltz through that and nobody would know the difference. Our port security is also less than stellar. The only thing reaonably secure is our airports, and even they have serious lapses from time to time.

 

The UN mandate for the Coalition expired in December of 2008, so they needed a bridge agreement to maintain US forces until they could re-evaluate what the needs would be, so that's how they came up with a SOFA that would expire at the end of 2011. However the expectation at the time is that a new SOFA would be negotiated once we had a better idea of what sort of residual forces would be needed.

 

And the Iraqis were only willing to allow US troops to stay after 2011 if the SOFA included a clause whereby they could try US troops in Iraqi courts.

 

What is preventing you volunteering?

 

From The New Yorker:

"The consequences became clear when negotiations began over the crucial question of withdrawing American troops after 2011. The leaders of all the major Iraqi parties had privately told American commanders that they wanted several thousand military personnel to remain, to train Iraqi forces and to help track down insurgents. The commanders told me that Maliki, too, said that he wanted to keep troops in Iraq. But he argued that the long-standing agreement that gave American soldiers immunity from Iraqi courts was increasingly unpopular; parliament would forbid the troops to stay unless they were subject to local law.

President Obama, too, was ambivalent about retaining even a small force in Iraq. For several months, American officials told me, they were unable to answer basic questions in meetings with Iraqis—like how many troops they wanted to leave behind—because the Administration had not decided. “We got no guidance from the White House,” Jeffrey told me. “We didn’t know where the President was. Maliki kept saying, ‘I don’t know what I have to sell.’ ” At one meeting, Maliki said that he was willing to sign an executive agreement granting the soldiers permission to stay, if he didn’t have to persuade the parliament to accept immunity. The Obama Administration quickly rejected the idea. “The American attitude was: Let’s get out of here as quickly as possible,” Sami al-Askari, the Iraqi member of parliament, said."

 

Americans favor the use of ground troops in the Middle East to fight ISIL???? This is an illness, apparently incurable. However, it is probably more like "You should go, I'll stay home."

 

So the only evidence is the unsubstantiated claims of an Iraqi parliament member after the fact?