Rich get richer from fewer labor unions

Moderate=Socialist. Collective Anarchist=statist. Not using personal insults, and you know it. I am defining your position.

Skilled labor according to whose standards? Why, the instructors on the Board of the institutions with the help of the legislators who require them.

Oh, don't try to evade it now. It's not what I was talking about, it was YOU who brought up the subject. Nice try to divert it. Mention education to anyone, and guarantee you 99% will tell you it refers to institutions, not personal experience. You knew exactly what you were implying when you said it, and I caught you.

 

A smaller labour pool creates inflationary pressures. Capitalism needs labour to be available, a scarcity simply sees firms bidding against one another for labour, the price of labour goes up and takes everything else along with it. The point about collective bargaining is that is, or it should be, based on productivity. You produce more, you get more in wages.

 

People = corruption. The "idea" of unions is great. The problem is corruption. The people being paid by the worker to protect their rights end up taking money from the corporation to not be so interested in the workers rights. Unless the worker is in full knowledge of their rights, union's are mostly useless to uneducated worker's.
Just ask Jimmy Hoffa....whenever they find him. Some how I doubt he will have much to say though.

 

You've got it backwards. Unions artificially inflate wages, which causes price increases. Supply and demand adjusts prices naturally.

 

Did you just call an Anarchist a Statist?

Business owners who understand what labor is. Skilled labor is someone who has a skill that takes a long amount of time to fully understand. Flipping burgers is unskilled labor because it doesn't take too long to learn how it can be done. Understanding electricity and how wires work is considered skilled labor because of the time it takes to get that understanding. This is divide existed well before education as we know it today.

So what you're basically telling is me is that you acknowledge you jumped the gun when you said colleges and are now trying to dig yourself out of the hole you dug. You could have assumed I mentioned college, or you could have asked for the definition if you were confused. I clearly established I was not talking about college, in fact if you look at that post in particular where I first bring up education, you can clearly see I'm not referring to schools. The only "institution" I'm talking about, is a union. You jumped the gun, and you won't admit it. Otherwise you would have brought up by now where I mentioned colleges.

 

There's always going to be the risk of corruption, but that doesn't mean that it's always going to exist. If that happens, that's what elections are for. They give someone else a chance to rule, taking in mind of course how they came into power. But even then, it's the responsibility of a job that changes people. Power can corrupt yes but it can make a person stronger as well. That strength is marketable. That's one of the reasons why unions are important. It helps to find those that have leadership or some sort of potential and then it trains them to fill those roles up. It might not be the best training or the greatest job, but it does get someone job experience and a foot in the door.

 

Not only the rich, but EVERYBODY gets richer from fewer labor unions, right? When the rich get richer, so do the poor, in America. The income gap grows, but that doesn't matter to the economy, only to the resentful. Isn't that correct?

 

Amazing post. Complete BS. The usual repub/neocon conspiracy theory buzz words making the usual total on absolutely no sense.

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Isn't that correct?

No. Was there anything else?

 

The repubs/neocons claim to favor competition but only if they are the only ones who can compete. They like lobbies, but only THEIR lobbies. In their immoral little universe, this counts as justice.

 

Oh, yes. Little Georgie and Saint Ronnie were progressives. Pull the other one. It's got bells on it.

 

The most devastating thing to labor unions has been all the Free Trade Agreements and immigration, especially illegal immigration where the migrant workers can be imprisoned and deported if they try to go on strike or unionize.

 

I noticed how you conveniently left the collectivist part out this time.

Understanding electricity doesn't require an overpriced piece of paper. The cost of that certification is passed on to the consumer in higher prices for service. If certification were not required, the price of the training would be cheaper, thus reducing prices for services to consumers.

Not at all. You made the statement of people who may not be well educated, not me. And, yes your inferrence was schools. You knew very well what you were implying, and I caught you at it. Your critical theory will not work with me. Sorry.

 

The rich almost always get richer, unless we are all starving.

 

What does it mean "unions artificially inflate wages"?

 

I work in a very unionized workplace. They're absolute scum of the Earth. Thieves and criminals the lot of them - the high-ups at least.

Every few months they run a sham election wherein 95% vote in favor of the union agreement.

 

And many big businesses are run by sociopathic crooks who should be in gaol.

Question is, what are we going to do about bent union officials and bent big business officials?

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And jobs being exported to countries that have no worker protection...did I just hear someone say "Apple"?

 

Nothing I can do about either, unfortunately.

 

Because a kook blog is always a reliable source of information

 

As labor unions have dwindled a lot of union leaders, goons, thugs, and crooks have had to seek other sources of income. That means fewer rich people, doesn't it?

 

No, that means more unemployed thugs.

 

Unions are what you need when you do not have a constitution and courts that uphold it.

By unifying to defend the constitution all these issues and much more are addressed permanently.

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...nstitutional-threat-thread-real-defenses.html

 

Yeah, never really was a big fan of the neo-cons.

 

Because you said that as an Anarchist, I was a Statist. The only reason I say collectivist is so people know I'm on the left side of the political spectrum. I'm more interested in why you thought an Anarchist is a Statist.

Are you going to have someone who has no experience with electricity do the wiring for you house? Any "costs" saved from the low price that "electrician" would offer would be lost. The homeowner has to assume more risk, and thus they're going to need to keep spending more money on the house itself to make sure it doesn't collapse on itself.

I would take you much more seriously but it's clear to anyone that I wasn't talking about college or even school. I'm not going to take this point seriously, you confuse Anarchist with Statist and when you call a moderate a Socialist, you're just desperate at this point.

 

Not an easy answer.
We can unite as we the people and if we can manage that I believe there is a way for us to disband our rogue government through article 5. I'm not well educated on it but I believe article 5 was created by the founding fathers for we the people to unite and over turn a tyrannical government and all their unconstitutional laws. Unions are not needed when laws are transparent and people are educated on their rights. The problem we will run into is uniting 90% of the population to ensure civil war doesn't break out. Civil war would be what the government will hope for and they will do their best to ensure we stay divided. The real question is what does it take to unite the most divided country in the world? You can't because it's not bad enough yet. I figure before we could unite everyone their would be 100 different factions of people all having their own agenda and a war would break out destroying any chance of fixing the problem. The elites will get their way one way or another. It has always been that way and I doubt that will ever change. That being said I still want to try it. I would rather die trying to make a difference then bend over and grab ankles.