Qur'an Justifies Islamic Terrorism? Not Really.

What do you think the bible is? The OT is pretty much stolen from the Jews, who cobbled their version from other stories that were out there at the time.
The story of Jesus, sounds like a rehash of older Indian texts.

 

I think the first mistake is separating religion and politic.If religion is going to show us the true way of life and if we have both personal and social life then absolutely a true , complete religion should have both personal and social order.
why some people think we need some guide for personal life but we don't need any sort of guide in social life.don't U think social form of our life is much more complex and absolutely religion is need in this aspect more than personal aspect of our life?
at the time that in social life if we make mistake we'll demolish the other peoples life too but if we make mistake in our personal life we just have mad problem for ourselves...
U never ever can't separate politic and religion

even in Christianity.when it is talking about some moral order they are not only personal order . if U care about them U will see the connection of these orders with society. for example I am sure if holy Jesus was between us today he was at front line in fighting against ISIS (as prophet Mohammad).

 

Then why are there 11 long prophetic books?

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The Christians took the OT from the Jews but they believe the entire OT. Islam doesnt believe in the prophecies of daniel and ezekiel, isaiah, etc, in the OT-they dont believe in psalms and proverbs-they just borrowed some OT characters and mixed them in with stories from other stories. Christianity borrowed from Judaism in a more natural way.

 

that is not true
Qur'an came to fix some detours which people mad in pure religions.as Jesus who wanted to fix it a bout Jews
Holy Qur'an-" cahpter 5 :
and we sent after them in their footsteps isa, son of marium, verifying what was before him of the taurat and we gave him the injeel in which was guidance and light, and verifying what was before it of taurat and a guidance and an admonition for those who guard (against evil) (46 )

and the followers of the injeel should have judged by what allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors (47 )

and we have revealed to you the book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did we appoint a law and a way, and if allah had pleased he would have made you (all) a single people, but that he might try you in what he gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to allah is your return, of all (of you), so he will let you know that in which you differed; (48 )

and that you should judge between them by what allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires, and be cautious of them, lest they seduce you from part of what allah has revealed to you; but if they turn back, then know that allah desires to afflict them on account of some of their faults; and most surely many of the people are transgressors (49 )"
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and this is a book we have revealed, blessed, verifying that which is before it, and that you may warn the metropolis and those around her; and those who believe in the hereafter believe in it, and they attend to their prayers constantly ( 6: 92 )


as I remember I have read the same thing in Bible that Jesus is saying Jews that he verify what was before him...
Note people mad different religion ( by refuting God's prophets ) not God.

 

It depends on the translation but this is what the Jihadist use.

“Muhammad is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.” — Qur’an 48:29

 

as one example:
" ... whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land ( Holy Qur'an 5 : 33 )"
I think reading Qur'an completely makes it clear that peoples life how much important is for Islam...
this is a part of Imam Ali letter to one of his governor in book Nahj albalaqe : Do not stand over them like greedy beasts who feel it is enough to devour them, since they are of two kinds, either your brother in religion or one like you in creation. They will commit slips and encounter mistakes. They may act wrongly, wilfully or by neglect...
I urge if U can read the other parts of that to see the real Islamic governmental rules and yourself judge
here U can read it : http://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-2-letters-and-sayings/letter-53-order-malik-al-ashtar

 

See the red color words that I highlighted as the words which you IGNORED.

"But if they cease ..." and "... but if they desist ..."

Those are the requirements from the Qur'an for peace.

It would be so much better if we had this doctrine on our side - but no.

If we the USA would just stop (cease and desist) our violent aggressions in the Middle East then the hostilities would stop just like magic - or more like a miracle, because the Muslims have this rule to "cease and desist" in their religion of peace, but our side has no such restraint.

We are the violent and immoral invaders, while they are just defending their homeland.

 

The power of Islam is in their political alliance.

The Christian weakness is in their political alliance.

In Islam the government must be subordinate to God - and rightly so.

In Christianity it has a very mistaken idea to = "be in submission to the higher authorities" Romans 13:1-7, so the Christians' wrong interpretation makes the government higher than God, and that is why the USA is viewed as a Christian Country when it obviously is not.

As such the wayward Christians would be wise to learn this better truth from the great religion of Islam.

 

Oh right, I forgot to point out that the Quran allows those against Islam the chance to submit and plead loyalty before the militants kill them.......

And you honestly believe the SOLE reason all of the extremist groups are doing what they are doing is because the U.S. hit first? What about Islam creeping in to Europe? Extremists attacking civilians there?

Also what about the fact that women in the countries where Islamic law holds sway are still treated as lesser humans? (*)(*)(*)(*) that, that system is absolute trash.

 

Sounds like you're the one who doesn't know what progressivism means.

 

The point is that Islam always gives a chance for peace and the option of peace.

You and your kind reject that because you give no option nor chance for peace.

What the USA and the West demand is complete surrender and submission to our immoralities.

This makes them as the religion of peace, and it makes our side as the violent warmongers.

Of course it matters who hit first, and not only did we hit them first but we are demanding to have the last punch too.

Plus Islam never "creeped" into anywhere, as it is a very bold and proud religion that walks upright.

I honestly say that our side telling the Muslim women to take off their clothing in order to be liberated as are the Western women - that doctrine makes our side as the trash and trashy.

If our side honestly respected women then we would have to start respecting the Muslim women first.

 

I have respect for women of all nationalities and religions. My question is why doesn't Islam afford women with the same freedoms men have?

 

You are not respecting the Muslim women when you tell them to take off their clothing in order to be liberated.

You would have to respect that they love their own faith and they do not want the Western kind of "liberation" where women are turned into sexual objects and Western women are forced into manual labor, and into the military, along with single mothers and children without their fathers and our Divorce industry, as the Muslims (both the men and the women) really do not want our immoral kind of liberation.

First take off her clothes and then you will respect her - well no.

Why do not you investigate and find out what those people really believe and how they feel about their own life?

They respect the difference between men and women, that the men have their male responsibilities and the women have their female responsibility, and their women do not want to act like men.

The American and Western idea that female liberation means that men and women are equal and must be treated as the same is an insane and inhuman idea with no basis in reality.

My understanding is that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, including growing here in the USA and in Europe, and including both men and women voluntarily joining that powerful religion of Islam because it offers the better quality of life which the West is so happy to destroy.

 

In other words, surrender or die.

Why do you think bank robbers cover their faces? They do it so that they can't be identified.

That is the same reason that Islam forces women to wear burkas. Islam believes that it is shameful to be a woman, and that shameful things must be hidden.

Just like slavery respected the differences between the white man and the negro.

This is an insane and inhuman idea with no basis in reality.

The fastest growing religion in the world is atheism, even know it's not a religion.

 

It doesn't matter if enough of the faithful do evil acts on grounds from the holy text in question to be a threat.

 

I honestly can not imagine how people can be this shallow.

The USA and the West are invading Muslim Countries on the other side of the planet - but the Muslims are the ones telling us to surrender or die.

We are the invaders who say to surrender or die.

The Muslims follow their faith as the Qur'an tell the infidels to "cease and desist" and if we did that then the hostilities would end as like a miracle.

Muslim women are NOT like bank robbers (and you need to be told that ).

The Muslim women as mothers teach the religious discipline of the veil and or the burka to their children, as all the men and women in Islam have learned their traditions from their parents.

You might not know it - but women throughout humanity do exactly what they want to do their selves, and there has never been any male dominated society that has ever ruled over their women - many a man has tried but none has ever succeeded.

There really are many women in the West including here in the USA who convert to Islam and they take up the Muslim dress based on the high moral standards of Islam and it is NOT forced on the Ladies.

See links:
1) Why ARE so many modern British career women converting to Islam?

2) Not 'brainwashed': American women who converted to Islam speak out

3) Feminism, fashion and religion: Why Muslim women choose to wear the veil





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It is a threat only because the West and Americans are so afraid of the scary Muslims.

Our terror is only based on our own fears.

If we were not misusing our military as the-Bully-of-the-world then there would not be so much to fear.

 

In the last 60 years, western countries have invaded a grand total of two Muslim countries: Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Qu'ran also tells Muslims to "kill them (Infidels) where you find them".

Thank you for missing my point.

In North Korea, parents teach their children about communism.

Thank you for demonstrating that you know absolutely nothing about history.

Over 70% of people who convert to Islam leave within a few years.

 

There is the violent and immoral occupation of Palestine since 1917 under American force of arms.

I guess you forgot about that one! ~ SARCASM INDEED.

And we have maintained an open unjust hostility against Iran since 1973 when they got free from our puppet regime.

And we supply arms in Syria as we promote the wholesale murder of the Syrian people.

Ongoing immoral hostilities against Yemen.

We have infested the government of Egypt and Jordan and many others.

Well what else can one do with the trashy infidels?

They give the infidels a chance for peace, the infidels are asked to cease and desist, but no no no.

Why not we try to get the infidels to stop being infidels? as that is the morally upright thing to do.

We the USA (the infidels) are invading and occupying Muslim lands trying to force our immoral ways on their decent people and the only option they have left is to fight back and try to kill off the infidels.

The Holy Qur'an is a very powerful book with a no-nonsense message for righteousness against evil.

You compare Muslim women in their religious clothing with bank robbers - so yes I got your bigoted point alright.

Whatever your secret missing point might be - is surely just as misguided.

And rightly so.

I doubt that is true, and I do not believe there is any counting.

But if it is true then it is to our shame, that the West and the USA are such religious bigots that morally high people feel the need to leave.

Our society is very bigoted against religion just as we are bigots against virtually everything outside of our greed and lust gratification.

Westerners would be wise to learn the truth from the religion of peace, and give up our assorted bigotries.

 

No, you're talking about Western society. Westerners tend to project.

 

Our politics is based on our religion.

 

Implying what, exactly?

 

The Koran was written at a time when slavery was practised in other countries other than Arabis . The Koran did not allow slavery but did try to curb it in saying it was a honourable thing to do to liberate a slave. And slaves were kept together as a family. As far a women's rights were concerned women were given the right to inherit, the right to keep their money as threir own.vand yes, they inherited less than their brothers but in most parts of Europe they had no inheritance rights at all.

 

That would be alright if it weren't for the fact that the Qu'ran is supposed to be the literal and infallible word of god.

It's not like they had much of a choice.

Around the time of Julius Caesar, Roman women could run businesses, own land and unilaterally divorce their husband. If their father died without a will, they inherited on equal grounds with their brothers.

 

You are proven wrong in your claim that Islam is more political system than it is a religion.

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What's your point?

Is that it?

 

If the Qu'ran did not claim that it was the infallible word of god, then I could forgive it for not taking a hardline stance against slavery.

The Qu'ran does claim that it is the infallible word of god, so you can't claim that the teachings of the Qu'ran are a result of ancient Arabian culture.

Are you implying that Islam gives women more rights?