Iran's foreign minister explains international law to Senate Republicans

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  1. Korozif

    Korozif Banned

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    They aren't slaves. If they don't like the editorial management they are free to start a blog or another publication. This is 2015, not 1915.
    Maybe you should've given those conspiracy theory a break with the change of alias TMR...
     
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    You're not meant to be impressed. You're suppose to learn something. You really are not for real. :roflol:

    No one taught you not to judge a book by its cover. Read it buddy. And get it in touch with Mr Schindler. You might learn great deal about your own country. Bolded for your easier comprehension. No need to thank me.

     
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    I hate to break it to you neighbor, but your assessment of my post is a much

    better description of your original post. Just go back and read it.

    Again, obama is not a king.

    You are welcome in advance for the Knowledge, facts and truth below.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...other-open-letter/?postshare=7031426519440436
     
  4. dixon76710

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    Nothing to be learned from baseless assertions on the cover of a book, intended to sell more books. Like you, the author equates any muslim engaged in combat with Al Qaeda.
     
  5. Silver Surfer

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    A lot be learn from people like Mr Schneider Dixie. However no one can stop you from indulging in your self-delusions, denial and deceit.

    John R. Schindler is a professor of strategy at the Naval War College and a former National Security Agency intelligence analyst and counterintelligence officer. He speaks several languages and has published widely on issues of espionage, terrorism, and military history, including the periodicals War in History, the Journal of Strategic Studies, Orbis, Jane’s Intelligence Review, and the International Journal of Intelligence and Counterintelligence.

    You've got a long way to go Dixie. Sour grapes.
     
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    When the good Dr got to this part; (nations) "are required to fulfill the obligations they undertake with other states, and may not invoke their internal law as justification for failure to perform their international obligations." I would have told the talking head to stick it. Why be a sovereign nation if the nation can not apply its own law. INTERNATIONAL LAW DOES NOT SUPERSEDE THE LAWS OF A SOVEREIGN NATION.

    reva
     
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    Many of them do just that. For example, The International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (see HERE), who have recently published the best account of the HSBC affair you'll find anywhere. There is little appetite in the UK for the HSBC story to be reported in any detail. One newspaper. The Daily Telegraph, suppressed the story because it would cause a loss of advertising revenue.

    Others run their own blogs in their spare time because they're committed to honest journalism. But it has to be said they are in the minority. The majority don't rock the boat, pick up the monthly pay cheque and write the drivel they are told to write.

    MOD EDIT - Rule 3
     
  8. dixon76710

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    I doubt it, but why dont you provide his substantiation for the claim. All I see is the claim made in passing. on the back cover by someone else. Not even his own words.
     
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    Id read him the law to demonstrate his ignorance as to the law.

    Article 46
    Provisions of internal law regarding competence to conclude treaties

    1) A State may not invoke the fact that its consent to be bound by a treaty has been expressed in violation of a provision of its internal law regarding competence to conclude treaties as invalidating its consent
    unless that violation was manifest and concerned a rule of its internal law of fundamental importance.

    2) A violation is manifest if it would be objectively evident to any State conducting itself in the matter in accordance with normal practice and in good faith
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    And then pointed out as Kerry has stated that they arent negotiating and international treaty and instead only discussing an executive agreement. And executive agreement that binds the executive that will be gone in two years. No "international obligations" involved.
     
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    Shall we start selecting quotes from jewish religious leaders or Christian or Hindu religious leaders, so we can paint those religions with the brush of their fanatics and nutbars?

    My evidence that they are not muslims is simply comparing their criminal behaviours with Islamic teachings.

    Can you find anywhere in ANY Islamic scripture that states that it is okay to kill women and children of ANY religion let alone fellow muslims?
    Can you find anywhere in ANY Islamic scripture that states that unbelievers should be compelled on pain of death to convert?

    These scumbags are dreaming of recreating some weird fantasy of 7th century Islamic life under the cloak of apostate piety but are nothing more than social and religious deviants. I advocate removing them from the gene pool with extreme prejudice, but I have nothing against modern muslims nor do I fear them.
     
  11. Deno

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    I am going to take a completely different tact on this now because it is so very important to all of us and the rest of the free world.

    No being a smart azz or my usual immature self just trying to stick it to the liberals.

    Please hear me out.

    Most of you who support obama, really do not understand what you are supporting.

    First off the un charter does not in any shape or form trump the US Constitution.

    Please read Article 2, Section 2, paragraph 2 of the Constitution below.

    http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution.html

    The left wants us to all believe that the 47 Republican members of Congress are Traitors for their actions.

    Clearly not so per the Constitution, obama sees the Constitution and Congress as a nasty nuisance to be circumvented with his pen and phone.

    I am sure all of the fair minded objective thinkers on the left and the right see the clear and present danger here.

    There may very well be a Republican President in 2016, do you want him to have the power of a Dictator?

    obama has mislead us on every issue, he does not have Americas Best Interest at Heart and

    every move he makes helps the muslim terrorist in the long run, just look at the Middle East and the rest of the world since he took office.

    He has changed the rules of engagement for our Soldiers to the point of where they are needlessly being killed and they

    are less effective against the muslim terrorist. There are soldiers in prison now just for doing their job that would have never

    seen the inside of a prison if they hadn't volunteered to serve their Country, all because of obama.

    He stirs Racial strife here in America every chance he gets and he is always on the side of Evil.

    He clearly has a distain for Israel and Netanyahu and an affection for iran who at every chance vows the destruction of Israel.

    obama's agreement/treaty or whatever you want to call is in no way going to stop iran from making a Nuclear Weapon.

    In fact, it is designed to speed them along and tie the hands of any future President in regards to sanctions and who knows what else.

    Please, just look at the facts and open your mind to the truth in front of all of us.
     
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    Evidence or gtf ().
     
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    And I bet you wouldnt even question their Christianity or Hinduism. Its only the Muslims you seek to defend while condemning the Christians and Hindus. And I dont know what they would have to do with your claim that I don't know what that has to do with your claim that "the core of ISIS in Iraq is made up of former Iraqi Baathist".

    It is the Islamic teachings of the Koran and Hadiths that commands their behaviors. Whether its ISIS today or the Islamic Caliphates 200 years ago or 1400 years ago, their so called criminal behavior is commanded by the koran

    An abundance of them.

    [3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

    [2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.(*)

    [2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah...(*)

    2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.

    [2.246] ...May it not be that you would not fight if fighting is ordained for you? They said: And what reason have we that we should not fight in the way of Allah, and we have indeed been compelled to abandon our homes and our children. But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned back, except a few of them, and Allah knows the unjust.

    [3.169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;

    [4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

    [4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

    [9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

    [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

    [9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain;(*)

    [9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

    [47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them


    Covert or die

    [9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
     
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    033.050 O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts...
     
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    :roll:
    Sigh, it's obvious God is talking about who males are allowed to sleep with.
     
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    Yep I would question their religiosity/

    It is related because the Baathists were secular, being muslim by birth and culture, not by piety.

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2014/06/19/323691052/saddams-ex-officer-weve-played-key-role-in-helping-militants

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/23/isis-joins-forces-with-saddam-loyalists-in-bid-to-take-baghdad/

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/middleeast/army-know-how-seen-as-factor-in-isis-successes.html?_r=0

    so the large number of contradictory passages in both the Quran and the Hadiths are to be ignored?
    I realize that is a commonplace occurrence with all religious justifications? Despite your list, I see none that admonishes the faithful to kill women and children.

    You do realize that these supposed sunni scumbags are applying those passages to their fellow muslims who happen to believe in exactly the same scriptures?
    I realize its an easy point to ignore, given your insistence that these pukes are really following Islam, but it doesn't change the facts.






    Funny how passages that speak directly to the contemporary political realities of the 7th century and the numerous military campaigns being waged by Mo et.al. supersede the passages that speak directly to spiritual enlightenment and tolerance.

    People of the book are not idolaters. And fellow muslims sure as hell aren't either.

    I guess you aren't familiar with the history of Saudi Arabia and in particular Mohammed since it appears as tho the concept of context of these passages is lost upon you.
     
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    Somebody has to conduct negotiations for this country. Are you suggesting that we send the entire U.S. Senate off to do our negotiating?

    The president IS a king when it comes to talks. Get used to it.
     
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    "None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" Surah 2: 106

    "When We substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not." Surah 16:101
     
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    Bloomberg view

    Mideast's Balance of Power Tips Toward Iran

     
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    Just like the Rashidun, "Rightly Guided" caliphate that waged the Wars of Apostasy against their fellow Muslims who happen to believe in exactly the same scriptures, but stopped paying Zakat to Mecca. Just like Sunnis have been doing to Shiites since Sunni and Shiite were invented.
     
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    Negative. The US paid via Pakistan people to fight the USSR. Bin Laden went to fight the USSR and knew the Pakistani with American money. It is that simple.
     
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    Remember that when Scott Walker is President.

    We all know the likes of you will sing a different tune then.

    Do you not believe in the Constitution?
     
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    it's a joke if you consider that 1 Iranian is a good representative what they all are dreaming about.

    Wikipedia:
    In 1951 Mohammad Mosaddegh was elected prime minister. He became enormously popular in Iran after he nationalized Iran's petroleum industry and oil reserves. He was deposed in the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, an Anglo-American covert operation that marked the first time the US had overthrown a foreign government during the Cold War.

    And THE CIA ... ADMITS to it.
    Also.. you're source doesn't mention who installed what.
     
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    How about sending somebody who loves his country, not lazy, knows how to negotiate and is competent?
     

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