Stop Saying Israel is America's only Middle East ally

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Jordan is a good ally to the USA.
     
  2. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes Jordan is a friend and ally to America for many years. However, Obama fails to see that and will not supply them with the weapons they need to fight AQ/ISIS. Thus making relations between Jordan and Barack Obama tenuous.
     
  3. Ronstar

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    Jordan needs more weapons?

    Jordan asked for more weapons and the USA said "no"?
     
  4. Goomba

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    You mean Christian values. The Judaism part was added by Americans in the USA for obvious reasons.

    This doesn't detract from the fact that Israel is a Western democracy because it was founded by Westerners- not Middle Easterners.
     
  5. Goomba

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    Lebanon as a whole has always been friendly to America. Islam-haters such as yourself want to sour relations simply because of religion.

    And I though the West was "secular."
     
  6. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, Hezbollah funded by Iran in Lebanon is just a figment of our imagination.

    *** Marine Barracks bombed by Hezbollah in 1983

    *** Bombing of a restaurant near the U.S. Air Force Base in Torrejon, Spain:
    18 U.S. servicemen killed, 83 injured, April 12, 1984​

    *** Car bombing of the U.S. Embassy annex in Beirut: 24 killed, September 20, 1984

    *** William Francis Buckley tortured and killed by Hezbollah June 1985,

    *** Truck bombing at the U.S. portion of the Khobar Towers housing complex in Saudi Arabia:
    19 American Air Force personnel killed, 372 injured. June 25, 1996​


    It's been established by U.S. intelligence that Hezbollah highly funded by Iran and controls most of Lebanon. So how can they be allies of America?
     
  7. CKW

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    Judo-Christian values. We worship the same God with that God's same values. Western values until the west turns agnostic and loses those values and turns into something else" .
     
  8. Ronstar

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    ISIS and Al Nusra funded by Saudi Arabia.

    ...but we are super buddies with the Saudis. Bush even kissed the former King.
     
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    Not to mention we have Saudi Arabia as an ally, Bahrain, and might as well introduce the U.A.E. as one. I don't see our alliance with Turkey as one that the US should keep.
     
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    Hmm.... the very AQ terrorist groups Barack Obama has supplied with weapons. If what you say is true, why is Saudi Arabia building a wall to keep terrorists out? Are you denying that Iran has been funding Hezbollah and furnishing them with weapons?

    Exclusive: Iran steps up weapons lifeline to Assad | Reuters
    www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/14/us-syria-crisis-iran...Cached
    Mar 13, 2013 · Iranian weapons continue to ... with Iranian arms flowing to the Shi'ite militant group Hezbollah. ... despite the existence of alternative supply ...
     
  11. Goomba

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    Is this the same Hezbollah that is allied with the biggest Christian parliamentary group? Controls most of Lebanon? Lol.

    And all those attacks took place decades ago during the civil war, and Hezbollah had nothing to do with them. Fail.
     
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    Again, American conservatives added the term "Judeo" in the 50s. Western values have always been seen as based on Christianity alone, but given the degree to which Americans love the Jews...

    Worship the same God? Yeah, I see that whenever the Christians are quick to argue that the OT is irrelevant whenever something that makes them feel embarrassed regarding God's law is brought to their attention.

    And the West turned agnostic (or atheist) a long time ago. Christianity failed it.
     
  13. Wehrwolfen

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    Hmm...., but it's okay to recall the crusades a thousand years ago, right? Can you cite Hezbollah allied with Lebanese Paramilitary groups?
     
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    Well, Turkey is only barely in the "middle east" and Israel is certainly a far stronger ally than Jordan has ever been. The GCC is Saudi Arabia and friends and pretty much no one considers them in ally in more than name, whether you associate with the right or left.
     
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    How did you come to that conclusion?

    Israel runs and aggressive spying campaign against the US
    http://www.newsweek.com/israels-aggressive-spying-us-mostly-hushed-250278
     
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    I don’t recall anything, and I didn't say anything about paramilitary groups. They do though have a special force composed of non-Shiites.
     
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    Ah.....so we are Jew lovers eh? If I am a Jew lover are you then a Jew Hater? Just asking....

    Christianity hasn't failed anyone. Intimidation and totalitarianism may serve a short term purpose, but ultimately it will fail in the end.
     
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    Nope ... neither is funded by Saudi Arabia and most of the terrible events listed above were pay back for Sabra and Shatilla... Reagan should have known better than to trust Ariel Sharon.
     
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    Then it must have been the other Goomba. Right?
    Quote Originally Posted by Goomba
    "Is this the same Hezbollah that is allied with the biggest Christian parliamentary group? Controls most of Lebanon? Lol.
    And all those attacks took place decades ago during the civil war, and Hezbollah had nothing to do with them. Fail".


    So what you're saying is that Hezbollah has changed it's spots? They no longer assassinate their rivals, or kill leaders. And they definitely have not killed UN Peace Keepers or Israelis. My remark about the Crusades was generalized in regard to Muslims and Progressive Leftists that have used the Crusades as an illogical moral equivalency.
     
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    Your animosity seems to be toward "Bibi", yet your causes or reasoning always go back to when he was a little kid. I'm not aware of any Country, US Government has not had problems with over the years and I surely don't know what a newly formed Massad. was thinking in 1954. As to warning Nixon, even supplying the US Navy with fuel, are not normal signs of an ally, nor what other things were going on in that day forward.
     
  21. Goomba

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    Of course you are Jew lovers. Your congressmen stood up and give BiBi an applause at the end of every sentence of his speech to Congress.

    If Christianity didn't failed the West, the latter wouldn't have had to have an enlightenment in order to progress intellectually.
     
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    Yes, parliamentary- not paramilitary.

    Hezbollah and Israel are enemies. Why wouldn't they kill each other?
     
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    The only reason that we're friends with Saudi Arabia is because they let us refill our ships during World War II.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Congress does that to everyone.
     
  24. Goomba

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    Oh, please, AIPAC itself is one of most strongest and powerful lobbies in America. Your country has pretty much slavishly supported Israel for a long time (to a certain extent of course).

    And let's not even mention your media and who controls it.
     
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    No matter who is speaking and no matter what they are saying, Congress will stand up and applaud them for five minutes at the end of every sentence.
     

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