Why do we hate being wrong?

if they're not talking about pro-human and pro-planet morals/ethics - which, no matter what branding is upon them, are the only that matter - we can assume they're been seduced by the demons (of religion) to focus all that otherwise good clean human energy on sex, and the minutiae of same.

imagine that - you adopt or maintain some religious position which you think is 'moral', and end up spending your life worrying about other peoples' genitalia. and while your mind is turned to the most grubby and inconsequential vanities imaginable, the demons get on with destroying us and our planet.

 

Once again, America is sinking because you have too many lazy people and uneducated people - and too many religious people. And that's uneducated by CHOICE, as you have a perfectly good education system if it's backed up by committed parents. You guys are lazy because you've had it too easy for too long, and don't now seem to have the motivation to overcome this base tendency to revel in ease.

Yes, other parts will 'rule' over your ruins ... if you don't smarten up. Have a look at the list of top 10 nations (for quality of life, peace, education, healthcare, environmental protections etc ... all the sh3t that actually matters) and you'll see who these 'other parts' are. You have a choice, though, because there's nothing America does better than to offer choice. If you choose to go backwards or stand still, instead of going forwards, you can expect to meet your doom much sooner. Those 'other parts' chose forwards.

What are these immoralities that Islam sees the danger in, please? I'd like a detailed list.

Doing nothing would be a mistake. Stand in the way of progress and you'll perish.

 

Pretty east prophesy to make. No country has lasted more than a few to several centuries. Rome may have been the longest?

 

All immoralities are dangerous and harmful.

Not some few or not some chosen ones but all immoralities are all destructive and counterproductive.

There is the old legend about the Devil, in that he was perfect in every way and yet some very tiny defect occurred in the Devil and it grew and grows until the day that the same perfect one became the most evil of beings.

It is the same reality for humans in that any small immorality will grow and grow until it rots and rots the entire human(s).


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Our easy to see doom is not any justification to just wait for it to happen.

Old Rome was a bloody and barbaric Empire which I say it lasted far too long.

The biggest fear in the USA is that our horrible decay will continue onward with no way to stop it so that our children's children will be forced to live in this never ending pile of degenerate slime and cesspool of immoralities.

Those of us who care - We want to change this course into something better.

To this thread topic:
We need to admit that we are wrong - and then start straightening out what we have left.

 

That Kingdom is NOT based upon a Theocracy at all. A theocracy has external law, imposed upon people. But the Kingdom is the time when the law is written upon the hearts of man, so that an external law, a theocracy doesn't exist. When people act in a moral and responsible manner, naturally, without laws, there is no need for a Theocracy.

So basically when man is no longer ruled over by the illusion of the ego, and all people are like this, the Kingdom is here. For all sin, all law breaking comes from the ego attempting to self gratify, thereby hurting others. And so we enact laws to punish this, with the hope that the fear of punishment will force people not to gratify the ego, when it is harming someone else.

So, the Kingdom doesn't involve a Theocracy at all. It is free of it.

As the lords prayer says, "may thy will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven." The only way that will can be done on earth, involves the death of the ego, and then the will of god can manifest itself. It cannot manifest as long as the ego drives existence. For the ego is too unclean for god to exist alongside it. So, it has to go.

 

True. We see evidence of this of the 3 major Abrahamic religions. All believe the same god, but due to immoralities worship it different. And then fight over who is right and wrong. Very immoral to believe in something unseen.

I argue that humanity has grown and evolved and gained. We have not been rotting as a species in spite of you claiming we are becoming more immoral. Whatever that is.


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I doubt many are sitting around waiting for it to happen. But every system will eventually fail, for people will figure out a way to game the system to the benefit of a few. That is what has been happening.

Give to examples of things that are wrong. I'll go first.

1. People in power(politicians), get to rich and cozy off of their positions.
2. The system is gamed and us citizens can't do much about.

 

1) The US Bill of Rights is immoral and wrong.
2) Capitalism is the economy of the slave plantation and it is and always was immoral and wrong.

Just two!

 

Flexible = will of man... not God.

If that be the case then Christianity is responsible for slavery, segregation, the mistreatment of the Native Americans, the internment of Japanese Americans, women not being allowed to vote until the Women's Suffrage Movement, abortion, same sex marriage becoming legal, pot becoming legal... et cetera ad nauseam. You sure you still want to claim that "The USA did start out as a Christian nation"?

And why should I have to turn to anyone for moral guidance? I again argue that to place my faith in an others belief is to follow man... not God. Man is fallible, I follow God, not man.

 

Ergo man trumps God. Does God dictate to man or does man dictate to God? What is the point of a theology that does not follow the dogma of God?

We already have this, its called the government, as our laws already penalize what most societies see as a harm... rape... murder... thievery... etc. Why the need to inject theocracy into this?

What is scum? Who gets to decide this for all? You? Me? Someone else... and by what authority?

Which is the same of the theocracies of the world. Name a theocracy devoid of corruption?

As are theologians at many different levels. Politicians answer to man, theologians answer to God... I prefer politicians.

Not in a theocracy. In a theocracy the leader/s answer to God, not man... which makes their rule beyond repute.

You keep speaking in broad generalities... give me bullet points of said "damage and doomed" and tell me how a theocracy fixes said malady?

 

Self-esteem is important about how human mind works. It's also involved in the development of a good "self censorship app" [we call it "conscience"]. If we don't esteem ourselves we could even not trust ourselves. If we don't trust ourselves we will ignore our conscience ... and we will not be enough self confident in our life.

So that, about important notions, we naturally tend to be conservative.

In Italy [and not only in Italy] there is still who sustains that Communism is a Great Idea and that it's feasible [in a way or an other], despite the clear judgment of history: Communism was wrong ...

Then there are situations in which to sustain something wrong is functional for your activity: this is a political forum. Politicians sometime sustain something wrong or false simply to keep a stance without leaving room of motion in a certain direction to a competitor [usually to catalyze the attention of a certain sector of the electorate].

Anyway, the base process which makes our mind conservative about admitting to be wrong is the preservation of self-esteem to "feed" our self confidence.

 

It's harder to be wrong in our beliefs. A theocracy has more power because belief is a human trait that can surmount many obstacles because of generally agreed upon dogma which permeates the society. The U.S. has a Constitution and it remains to be seen if it is stronger than the religious dogma of radical beliefs which includes (but not limited to) radical Christians and radical Muslims.

 

I wonder what JP thinks Norwegians turn to for moral guidance.

I feel almost a sense of despair when I see smart and good adults utterly shackled by this seriously alien notion that we depend upon mythological beings to know how to put one foot in front of the other. Despair because this terrible failure to appreciate the good sense and goodness of humanity has the potential to impact significantly on our progress away from the crap we've been getting up to while under the influence of the old drugs. Those nations who've been able to free themselves from the curse of religion are soaring, and a lesson to us all.