Putin is ready to work with next USA president...

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  1. Pronin24

    Pronin24 New Member

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    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...eady-to-work-with-united-states-tv/ar-AAbeLX3

    This is from today's MSNBC News. The article comments among other things: "In his comments to the state-run Rossiya channel, Putin appeared to soften his anti-American rhetoric after being highly critical. Relations between Moscow and Washington and other Western powers have soured over the conflict in Russia's neighbor Ukraine, sinking to an all-time low." Actually, Putin did not soften anything. His critique remains the same and his preparedness to cooperate with the USA and other countries in a number of issues did not change. He is a consistent politician and he knows he is right.
     
  2. Merwen

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    From the OP link:

    "His latest remark comes two days after an annual TV phone-in show in which Putin accused the United States of trying to dominate world affairs, saying it wanted "not allies, but vassals". However, his criticisms of the West were more moderate than in some previous appearances."

    IMO the US would be much better off if he were the next US president. It would be a refreshing change to have someone in that office that would not stab the working and middle classes in the back.

    I also agree with him that the US has forgotten how to be a decent ally; its leaders are overcome with ego and hubris. This appears to be the result of their constant toadying to the ultra wealthy, who are doing an exceedingly poor job of running the US and its economy.

    Putin has an engineering degree and a doctorate in economics. He is also proficient in languages. He is a genius that grew up eating cabbage soup and beef stuffed pastries. He has respect for those who are not ultra wealthy--not pity, respect. He respects the common worker and does not look down his nose at them. He realizes it takes all types to make a country--a real country, not a hollowed out shell--and that is what he is doing with Russia.

    Russia will be fine in the coming years. Its colder regions will become more useful with global warming, and its people, who are respected, will build the country to be independent and strong, with a good infrastructure. They have the resources, people, and leadership they need.

    The US will continue to deteriorate until we can rid ourselves of the pernicious pity and contemptuousness of those of outrageous wealth currently in control, who neither understand nor respect their fellow Americans, but consider them fools to be manipulated by bribes and charity: All this at the same time that they fail to realize the contempt that they themselves deserve by their treasonous gutting. of the American economy and ridiculous but lethal foreign exploits designed to adorn themselves with yet more undeserved, filthy, bloodstained lucre. America will not again thrive until this filthy rot is cleansed by appropriate taxation and regulation.
     
  3. Borat

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    You moving yet? Come on, put your money where your mouth is and move to Russia :)

    PS the OP moved from Russia to the US on an Israeli visa, he hates the US and Israel, adores Russia, his native tongue is Russian and his English is horrible....yet he is sticking around and not going back. Show him how it's done ;)

    PS2 I don't disagree with you on the divide between the ultra-wealthy and the rest in the US but things are actually 1000 times worse in Russia, the corruption, utter disrespect of the common man, nastiness, bureaucracy, lawlessness, police brutality are like from the Middle Ages and things are not getting any better.
     
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    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah, K see we've got a new socialist. Welcome to PF
     
  5. Riot

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    This will not happen anytime soon. Not as long as america is aggressively attacking Russia.
     
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    I believe what you say is true, but the measure of a country is partly in the quality of the leadership it chooses.

    Even as Americans as a whole are still as idealistic as Obama presents himself to be, Russia is aspiring to meet the rationality and clear headedness of its current President. If anything happened to Putin it would be like the US losing its Kennedy.

    No, I see what Russia still is, but I respect what it is trying to become. It reminds me of what the US was like when I was very young, or maybe even before then. It is like a child with all sorts of potential, and must be parented carefully as it learns new ways.

    Really, there is of course much graft in Russia, too, as someone (probably Litwin or you) pointed out in another thread. The idea is to leave a space for lesser people to profit as well; to have a regard and some respect for them, and to not export the means of production by which they can live.

    I don't speak Russian and could probably not stand the cold, but if someone invited me to come over there to copy edit or teach English for awhile I would probably find it an interesting time.

    At least I could escape for awhile the sickening realization of what the leadership in the US has been about since the 1980's. That's when things started going bad, I believe.

    I've been hearing my whole life how bad Russia is, so anything presently good would come as a pleasant surprise.
     
  7. Merwen

    Merwen Well-Known Member

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    K here comes Johnny One Note again.

    Surprise, surprise: I am not a socialist, I am for regulated capitalism with a decent social safety net to compensate for the inequities in our system at present.
     
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    Yea, socialism, I said that already.
     
  9. Merwen

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    Equity, not socialism.

    I do not support the present welfare state. It is destroying young families and promoting negative reproduction strategies to fill non-Darwinian ecological niches.

    I would appreciate it if you would stop trying to freeze me in time with outmoded labels. My positions evolve over time with new input and as situations change. This is the case with most people who actually think, just in case your process is different. Your constant labeling attempts are insulting and rude.
     
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    Sounds like Putin is willing to work with anybody ... for a price.

    Just how does a politician get to be one of the richest men in the world while still in office?
     
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    USA and Russia should work together to make this world better, we can't afford to have another cold war between the two countries. We need peace, prosperity, eradication of hunger, disease, food shortage. Say no to arm race and say yes to cooperation and make this world better place to live!
     
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    the idea that the US is attacking Russia is just plain silly and juvenile. putin needs an enemy to gain the support of the Russian sheep and the US is the obvious choice. putin will keep stealing Russia blind as long as Russians choose to remain ignorant. the US has never been russias enemy, putin just made that up for political purposes.

     
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    sounds like u ve spent an year in Mordor-Russia where everyone hate people like you who likes to discuss the annexations of others and backing the annexation of brotherly israelies-)) shalom-))
     
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    You really should stop using words you do not understand.
     
  15. Riot

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    Let's look at americas action recently.
    The Ukraine
    America backed and spearheaded the over throw of an elected Russian friendly government. Outing Russia from even some of its own bases. Cutting Russia off of its own pipeline and its ability to move oil. All american backed.
    Syria
    A Russian friendly country is now under the attack of american armed and trained rebels. Some of them even Al Qaeda. For what? Assad's mean to his people? So is so many other countries leaders. Why Syria. No one else is helping us arm and train Al Qaeda in the area. Only us to kill Assad. Because Syria is a trade partner with Russia
    Iran
    Another close ally with Russia. Now Obama is trying to sway them to our side. Away form Russia. Now Russia is giving the more missiles. Iran is like a child in a divorce. Both parents trying to buy their affection.
    Slowly america is trying to steal influence away from Russia. Trying to weaken the power of Russia. Including a currency war and a war to up hold the petrodollar. All this started around when Russia moved away from the dollar as the oil trade currency. America declared this as an act of war. And has responded.
     
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    its good to know someone is sees the root
     
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    Borat, what a spout of filth, blaming the poster! A real lover of Israel and USA is mad, indeed. The time will come, when America will cool off, if not damp Israel altogether. The world would benefit tremendously, if we would learn to cooperate with Russia in international scene. Instead, we sacrifice so much for a little nasty pupped named Israel for too long. Israel was a valuable assed in time of cold war, an island of 'Western civilization' in the Middle East. Remember Khrushchev, Abdel Nasser, six days war, etc.? This time and the situation gone long ago. We need a president with a fresh look at the world and our own problems.
     
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    Russia should cooperate with the US and the West.... Has it ever occurred to you? I don't think it has.... And as part of this cooperation Russia should begin behaving like a civilized western country, not like a barbaric medieval kingdom attacking, invading, pillaging its weaker neighbors and stealing their land.
     
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    a bunch of made up........stuff

     
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    so similar with Israel isn't it? its so nice to see how u backing once actions and condemns actions of others just for the same reason..... what a hypocrisy
     
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    The similiarity is in the eyes of clueless ignoramuses only. Tiny Israel outnumbered 75 to 1, occupying 0.15% of the regional land, surrounded by 22 arab states rejecting its right to exist and committed to its annihilation sooner or later... vs humongous Russia occupying 1/6 of the planet's dry land and still bullying and invading its smaller peaceful unarmed neighbors and stealing their land.



    How is that for similarity, comrade?
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    What part is made up there?
    Obama training rebels and arming them because of chemical weapons use?
    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150419/1021091357.html
    If it's only about chemical weapons were is Obama on this one? Where is his TV appearance calling for the saudi elite family being remove from power by american trained rebels there? Where is his line in the sand on chemical weapons? There is only one reason that Obama even gives a damn about Syria and that's their ties to Russia.
    Please show me where I'm wrong here.
    We can take each one of my statements one by one. Give you a chance to back up your little BS statement that you posted without any proof or intelligent thoughts.
    So start here. Prove me wrong.
    Your turn.
     
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    you are trying to pee up a rope. the entire world knows that putin is only interested in his kleptocracy
     
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    Here is another american action that is based on a war beside the curtains with Russia
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontev...nd-chinas-growing-influence-in-latin-america/
    Cuba.
    How many coincidences does it take?
    In one year.
    We have Ukraine and americas involvement of a coup with a russia ally
    We have Syria and americas involvement in the coup to overthrow a Russian ally.
    We have Iran and america involvement in swaying a Russian ally from their influences.
    We have Cuba and Americas involvement in the swaying a Russian ally away from Russia's influence.
    We have threats of trade embargoes against Russia.
    Do you need more?
    When did all this start can someone tell me? From what i have found it all happened around the time Russia declared Russia and China would move away from the petrodollar.
    Can you deny any of these?
     
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    Still no proof? Still no facts? You my sir have brought nothing to the table only BS. Thank you for nothing. Move along now unless you care to prove me wrong.
     

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