Putin is ready to work with next USA president...

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  1. katzgar

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    nothing but the stone cold obvious in your face true kind of thing. you and the rest of those in the kremlin basement are the only ones that don't know it.
     
  2. Riot

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    Again nothing from you to prove your point. Just BS. I'm american but yet not blind to the truth of what america is doing in our name. You have failed to even prove one point here and have proven you know nothing of this. Thank you sir have a good day. Again unless you can even remotely prove your point.
     
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    What kind of utter nonsense is that, are you for real? Based on this "logic" war against Nazi Germany in 1939 - 1941 was a conspiracy against Russia because they were allies at the time.

    The developments in Ukraine, Syria, Iran and Cuba were caused by situations in those countries. That Russia allies itself with wanted criminals like Yanukovich, religious fanatics like Iranian mullahs, tyrants like Assad and commie fascists like Castro is Russia's problem and not a good enough reason for foreign policy decisions or for the choices made by the population of those countries. Duh

    That you see the US rapprochement with Cuba not as a positive development but as a conspiracy against Russia is actually funny.
     
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    I don't need to prove something the world understands. are you American? not likely.

     
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    This is positive and actually it indicates that Putin is the politician we have known in the last decade. Single matters haven't to affect the general geopolitical strategy of a big country [otherwise the world would be a total mess].

    At the end, our good friend Vladimir Vladimirovic has seen how things work with the West [he has seen what has happened about Ossetia]. About Ukraine we are still playing the match. We play our cards, Moscow will play its cards ... and we will see. For the rest the relationships with Russia will not go back to the age of Cold War [this is clear and absolutely out of discussion].
     
  6. Riot

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    Really? Then why did america spearheaded and controlled the rebellion in Ukraine? We controlled the rebels there. Promised them positions in the Ukraine new government for doing what we told them to do. An American back coup on a elected government. Not a tyrannical government but just a Russian friendly one.
    Why the arming and training to overthrow Assad? Because he used chemical weapons? Hell america used white phosphorous in Iraq and other places.
    The saudis are using chemical weapons right now murdering innocent people in Yemen. Where is Obama and the military at now? Where is the american train rebels to overthrow the Saudi monarchy? Oh that's right Saudis are american friendly while Syria is allies with Russia. Unless you can show me otherwise.
    Wars between two nuclear powers aren't the same as other world wars. It's about gaining power on influences and trades.
    America- trying to gain influence in Iran
    America - trying to gain influence in Cuba
    America - trying to overthrow Assad in Syria
    America- sponsored and orchestrated a coup in Ukraine.
    Russia- moving away from the petrodollar
    Russia- giving Iran missiles

    If you don't think there is a war going on between America and Russia then I'm sorry you can't see it.
    There is a currency and power war that has heated up since Russia declared it wasn't going to use the american dollar for oil traded.
     
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    That's a figment of your imagination belonging to the most ridiculous conspiracy theories. If you knew anything, anything at all about Ukraine you'd know that the overwhelming majority of the Ukrainian ethnicity in Ukraine wanted to have as little to do with Russia as possible. Yanukovich is a Europol wanted criminal and Putin's puppet, they did not need any spearheading or controlling to oust him.
     
  8. Jeannette

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    You're saying a person hates their country if they criticize their government's policies. Would this also hold true for 'let's say' a German if they criticized the Nazi regime before and after WWII?

    I disagree, it's getting better because the criminals of the Yeltsin regime are all being kicked out, slowly but surely.
     
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    If Poroshenko has no fear of his fascist regime being kicked out in a fair election, then why is he trying to change the ethnic composition of the Donbas by killing them off?:oldman:
     
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    If a person criticizes absolutely every policy of absolutely every government it's a pretty sure bet he hates the country, not specific policies or specific government

    and you know that because Putin said that, right? LOL they are merely being replaced with criminals and thugs loyal to Putin. Repeat after me, Russia is as totalitarian, backward, corrupt, bureaucratic, lawless as it's ever been.

    That you who have never set foot in Russia and don't know a single Russian word, not Russian participants claim this is quite telling, don't you think?
     
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    Oh but there was. There is tapes. Why was america caught on tape promising the rebel leaders positions in the new Ukraine government? Why is it part of americas job to pick how will be in a free countries government? Which rebel leader will be rewarded for their actions in the coup. Where do we get off promising such a thing if it was spearheaded by america?
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jbOwfeoDX2o
    You can clearly hear him asking her what's the next move. How to deal with the rebel leaders and what will their roles be in the government. Why is he an Ukrainian ambassador asking her any of this is america wasn't pulling the string?
     
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    But thank god the Ukrainian people got rid of puttin and now has the great joe Biden son as their leader for their oil policies. Cause there was no one else in this world more qualified for that job beside the VP son. IMO proof america was the string pulled behind the rebellion. Just in Lydia and Egypt.
     
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    No sh*t riot, really? The State Department and the US Embassy in Ukraine are discussing the situation in Ukraine, their options and their moves during the period of a turmoil and anti-government revolt in a large and important Eastern European country? How dare they? This is a true conspiracy, good job Riot, you've nailed them! The state department and Emabassies aren't paid to discuss and strategize, they are paid to do nothing and stay quiet, aren't they? And the moment they discuss the situation in a country of interest they become puppet masters in the eyes of [fortunately irrelevant and widely despised] conspiracy theorists.
     
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    Nope. You didn't listen close enough. There were granting positions in the new government. Granting the rebel leaders places in the Ukrainian government. Not just oh I wonder if they will give him a position. But literally saying who WILL and WHERE in the government they will be placed. American leaders telling one of them he isn't ready yet and he will not be put into power. What right is it puts to do such a thing. That wasn't two people talking about I wonder what will happen next. But what they will do next and who will be in power due to them. Because they said so. If you can't see that you truly are blind.
     
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    What's wrong with that? The Ukrainian people are clearly not as xenophobic as Russians or as you are and yes, qualifications aside good relations with the current government of the US are important to Ukraine. It must have been a political appointment. Thousands of them are made every day in every country. Are you from another planet or were born yesterday?
     
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    Maybe this will help you.
    http://youtu.be/Iu_5pPQ-R9Q
     
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    This is suppose to an elected government by its people. Is it not?
    Should the Ukraine be able to decide who is out president? Or our janitors for that matter?
    I could be wrong but I don't think that's how an elected government suppose to work.
     
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    Discussing and I quote "who they think should and should not be in the government" is a far cry from granting positions. Duh.
     
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    The Ukrainian president and the Ukrainan parliament (Rada) were elected in free and democratic elections. Biden son was hired by a private Ukrainian company. What are you talking about?
     
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    Sure they were elected. Who put them in to the place to be elected? Why does she say she will have to call him to tell him were he will fit into this? Why is that for her to tell an Ukrainian where he will fit into the government?
    As far as Biden son. This happened directly afterwards and I believe it was done to gain political power and influence.
     
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    The Ukrainian people did. The Ukrainians voted, they don't like Putin and they don't want Russia. Get over it.

    Lying again. Here is the actual quote from the conversation: "Your argument to him that you'll need to make... on where he fits in this scenario". This is not "telling him", this is advising him, discussing with them.... The US clearly has an important advisory role in the situation as it should but your claims that the overthrow of the criminal, corrupt and treasonous Yanukovich government was orchestrated by the US and that the US set up a puppet government in Ukraine is nothing but baseless nonsense which is frankly insulting to the people of Ukraine.
     
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    Then why is Poroshenko trying to change the composition of Ukraine by committing genocide in the Donbas?:confuse:
     
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    Evil have no size - its evil or its not no matter of the size.
    i thought the motive what is matters, not the statistic numbers. And byway Russia isn't occupying 1/6 of the land it exists.
     
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    Just as you hate Russia for example. Yea?
     
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    What's to like? Russian people are fun to party with, far more fun than Euros or Americans.... as a country though it's backward, corrupt, lawless, aggressive, bullish, the bureaucracy is in a league of its own.. People are slavish, brainwashed, xenophobic, scared, uber-patriotic beyond any common sense, rude, nasty, cynical, everybody steals and brags about it to friends.
     

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