WH spokesman on Texas governor's military drills: 'I have no idea what he's doing'

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  1. shmittygoatman

    shmittygoatman New Member

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    I'd say the governor is probably making a statement to the Obama statement. What that statement is, anyone could guess. My guess is he's just being purposely obstinate.
     
  2. Questerr

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    Some of the SDF's are pretty highspeed considering they only have extremely frugal state funding to back them up and most of their members don't get paid. I know the Texas State Guard has a helicopter unit, the Maryland Defense Force has a medical unit that regularly cross trains with the guys at Fort Dietrick and would be on par with an Active Duty CASH, and the New York Maritime Defense Force is basically a state coast guard.
     
  3. ArmySoldier

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    That's so crazy. I was in the military for years and never heard about these dudes. Probably because I never had to interact with them. Or just assumed they were the National Guard.
     
  4. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

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    Personally, if I was in charge, the National Guard would be disbanded and its members given a choice between their respective SDF and the Army Reserves. I'd like to see the State Militias be purely a state body instead of the weird State-Federal Frankenstein that is the National Guard.
     
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    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Money. Money. Money. Too much greed. The Guard wants that federal bill.
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obama has been purging the Officers Corps and replacing them with yes men.

    Scuttlebutt with in the military community, Obama has his yes men in place.
     
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    But if States only had to worry about the defense needs of themselves and their neighbors, you could have way less expensive military forces. SDF's don't need heavy arty or armored BCTs. And they could be specialized for the kinds of problems states run into:

    -Lots of engineers, civil affairs, and CSAR units for disaster relief or construction projects
    -MP's and light/motorized infantry for suppressing the kind of violence that actually threatens US cities
    -Medical units and WMD decon for mass casualty events or terrorist attacks (or for recovery after a nuclear attack)
    -Light motorized or heliborne cavalry to patrol for smugglers or illegal immigrants.

    Stuff like that. Those kind of units are relatively cheap.

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    Yup, he did that right after a bunch of generals refused to nuke Charleston, right?
     
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    And that will convince soldiers to take over the red states how?
     
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    Well one field grade officer walked the plank because of pigs. Obama paying off a political debt to PETA.

    Now General Mattis considered the best general in military was fired and even today the Obama administration can't come up with a reason except for Mattis was a warrior and Obama doesn't want warriors serving in "his" military but wants "yes men" or unqualified affirmative action fast tracked in promotions "yes women."

    "To change the purpose, customs and the culture of the U.S. military in the name of diversity."
     
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    Questerr Banned

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    Back you back up any of this bull(*)(*)(*)(*) you just spewed with evidence?
     
  11. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Interesting that all of these exercises are planned to take plce just not in red states but also in very red communities that didn't vote for Obama in blue states like Kalifornia.

    Why conduct close air support exercises practicing dropping bombs on conservatives in Lake Havasu City, Az. ? Why not Malibu, Compton or better yet Baltimore and Detroit ?

    Why were the Marines of my old unit, 1st ANGLICO wearing civilian clothing and driving unmarked vehicles ?

    It's all here. -> http://www.marines.mil/News/NewsDis...anglico-performs-cas-in-lake-havasu-city.aspx
     
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    Sure, the governor is pandering to a good part of his base that believes that Barack Obama wants to take over Texas. That is a VERY simplified explanation mind you, but that is the boiled down meat of the issue. There is a small, but very vocal, and very convinced group amongst potential Republican voters that believes either that the federal government will collapse soon, and that they will have to do battle with federal troops who will be sent in to restore order at the barrel of a gun.

    Or they believe that Texas should secede from the union, and that federal troops will be coming to stop them.

    As far as the farmers go as I understand it the military has the permission of all the farmers whose land they will be on. I haven't heard of them being an issue as of yet.
     
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    Because the city allowed them to?
     
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    We don't have to many warriors with stars on their collars today. Most have been purged from the military.
     
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    The city was clueless.

    Usually when they conduct simulated CAS exercises along the Colorado River they use the Chemehuevi Indian Reservation across Havasu Lake as the target. Why not ? Some of the young bucks on that "rez" still think it's the 1860's. :smile:

    The U.S. military has always used federal land to conduct maneuvers and exercises, BLM, USFS and BIA land.
     
  18. Professor Peabody

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    I think the "White House Spokesman" wouldn't know his own ass from a burnt biscuit if he looked at them both at the same time.
     
  19. Questerr

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    Yeah, I guarantee you can't support that claim.

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    Oh, the US military has always used Federal land to conduct exercises? Are you sticking by that claim or are you prepared for me to make you look really stupid?
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    There are over 5,000 square miles of federal land in Texas and the US military carries out these exercises on federal land. It would have to secure the written consent of land owners before it could carry out any exercises on private land.

    But let's run with you assumption. If the US military has been trampling over private property in the past while conducting these types of exercises then there has to be a news report, lawsuit, or some other documentation of it on the internet. Provide some foundation for the allegation that this has been happening.

    BTW - What the hell would this have to do with the president? Sure, the president is CIC of the entire US military but he doesn't get involved in these low level training exercises. Thinking the president is involved in these exercises is as silly as believing the president was personally involved in field operations under Project Gunrunner.
     
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    Yes the military uses federal lane or they secure the written consent of the land owner (or native-American tribes) before they use private land or reservations. It would be illegal for them to enter private land except in time of war under the US Constitution. With over 5,000 square miles of federal land in Texas (1.9% of Texas is federal land) why would the US military need to trespass on private land?

    So make me look stupid by providing documented examples of illegal trespass by the US military in Texas while conducting exercises.

    If the governor of Texas is concerned about trespassing on private land by the federal government then he should probably be worried the US Border Patrol that is far more likely to trespass onto private land. Why isn't he having the State National Guard follow the US Border Patrol agents?
     
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    What possible reason is there for it? I live in WA and there are routine military exercises being carried out all of the time and we've never had any problem whatsoever. I worked in New Mexico and the military even fired tactical missiles over the interstate highway (they closed the highway for safety) and there were no problems.

    This is reflective of irrational right-wing thinking bordering on psychosis which is what I addressed in the OP..

    Seriously? The term is used to identify areas that as similar geographically to potentially "hostile" areas around the world and/or used in the context of training maneuvers where the US military creates a "hostile force" for the exercises. Anyone that would think of it in any other context is a nutcase.

    In other words the governor or Texas has joined ranks with the borderline pschotic and paranoid right-wing nutcases which is exactly what I alluded to in the OP. Perhaps he needs a sanity hearing to find out if he's gone completely off his rocker.

    It's very puzzling when a governor seems to be acting in an insane and irrational manner, don't you think?
     
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    Awesome..........may the USARMY should pull all its military bases out of Texas for disrespecting them and watch the Texas economy collapse as it is Federal tax dollars that prop up that state.
     
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    Already been discussed.


    Fascinating.
    zzz...


    Yes. That is what the paste portion of the article I found said.
    Seriously.


    No. And if you could read you wouldn't have asked the question.


    Evidently.


    No, I don't. There was nothing "insane" in his behavior. Seriously? "insane" ?
    You say that because he's a Republican.
    But as you have already admitted.... you're quite "puzzled".
     
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    Micketto New Member Past Donor

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    Only a supporter of this "most transparent administration in history" would say it is "disrespectful" to actually watch military exercises.

    Genius.
     

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