US sending 400 troops to train Syria rebels this Spring

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    Assad refused to let a proposed Gas pipeline go through Syria to Europe. This would have lessened Europe's reliance on Russia.

    95% of US foreign policy has an economic motive. Assad is being punished for getting on the way of a US economic strategic interest.
     
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    How do these anti-war progressive radio hosts hope to put a stop new wars like in Syria when they are still wasting time talking about issues like Bush, Vietnam, and the toppling of Irans Mossadegh in the 1950's?


    "make a god of politics
    make a god of police
    worship it with automobiles
    worship it with screams"

    "make a god of useless drivel
    sew it at the seams
    float it down the river
    where the sewage is the sea"

    "flowers" by the psychedelic furs


    media agents of the state and big brother * with the number of u.s. govmnt produced news segments floated around the media, embedded reporters, corp. and party affiliated radio shills -its a wonder we have so few trusted people like finain to bring us the news, and like ICH brought us the great james petras articles covering places like yemen in years past, is invaluable, people like eric draiser, stephen lendman (PRN.fm wont recover from his absence - he can be succeeded but never replaced) david swanson, and so forth. dont' be too discouraged by the daunting number of false reporters and outlets, even if it at times it seems insurmountable, even my first reading of 1984 in high school, we knew that it would become reality very soon. when conglomos like knight ridder bought the free press and the descent into mass censorship, and newspapers being a govmnt megaphone propaganda sheet reared its ugly head. our tvs now see local afiliates closing ranks w/ police against the public, no more bill bonds types on tv to challenge the presidents legal authority in foreign policy like he did w/ reagan. a police shooting at a beach resort of the husband of an arguing couple was systematically covered up by 5 california los angeles area tv stations, and the la times/oc register. years later it was revealed in the affluent city of laguna beach papers the networks had lied the white male victim who died had no gun and told that to police on the phone before the shooting at the montage resort, that the couple merely had a spat over finances. the los angeles media never followed up or corrected their media feeding frenzy too intentionally protect the police. the system has been caught scapegoating victims of illegal killings, like eric garner was blamed for being murdered because he stole cigars, even norman goldmans guest host wayne besen said he deserved "no sympathy" in other words death because he stole cigars. now that norm goldman he is a snake, a democrat establishment shill posing as "independant." what kind of immoral rat radio host lies about the syria war and rationalizes the carnage to protect the democrat president? rush limbaugh did the same thing for bush in iraq. finks like this are unforgivable when people like norm goldman and rush have millions of dollars and dont need to worry about starving families. these are the swine who scapegoat the muslims own religion for american corporate wars. they are lower than pond scum. how could tom hartman say he has "tremendous respect for obama " for democrat mass murderers and call himself progressive? like fox news and rush defended bush for murdering millions of innocent iraqis they are agents of the state.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/161205fake_news.htm


    gao study "$1.6 billion on public relations and media spending during the last 2½ years. "
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gao-high-media-spending-under-bush/

    agents of the state and big brother pt.II* the public is victimized and propagandized by the mass communications channels who try to divide them along racial and economic lines. professional callers clog up the airwaves of our broadcast media to change the subject away from the impending wars on free peoples of the world and caused by democrat obamas war machine. the sanitized state deception that goes on in america on a daily basis has actively sought to marginalize not just what is reported, but what actually constitutes a crime. the right wing outlets blame the democrats, who then on their outlets blame the republicans in endless finger pointing and mindless mind control excercises rather than delineate solutions, or examine issues in earnest.
    this isnt just tabloidism, its obviously scripted psy- warfare.

    "Schultz admits congressional Democrats helped coach callers on what to say"

    can GCNs alex jones or joyce riley really report anything of use if they always play the fear card? obama is gonna take your guns "the trayvon martin event was a way for the media to push for gun confiscation" alex said. this is the alternative 'anti-war' media? more like controlled asset, agents of the state. this gcn is always peddling FEAR: vaccines, chemtrails, fema camps, fluoride in the water, and poison pills - it is a wonder their audience can get up in the morning or leave the house after this psychological warfare fear mind control. certainly PRNs gary null makes a good living peddling fear, death and holisitic remedies, and so does the corporatized climate change front get their fear agenda out as well eclipsing all hope of building genuine anti-imperialism change movements amidst all this psy-warfare.

    lost are the reports of the starving and the disease plagued refugees from iraq to syria, unable to acquire medical supplies, food and water in democrat war torn areas being continually censored out of the mainstream dialogue along with the heinous bombings and killings of 2,000 american airstrikes on syria, iraq. why 2,000? who benefits? who has been targeted? not ISIS or they would all be dead.PRN.fm's four year mission to tell the truth is apparently over, it is not enough to merely tell the facts of who is the instigator and the false pre-text of wars, but to put a human context to them and find reporters who can supply it. they are gone from PRN thats for sure.

    "Now mainstream lying and censorship is enabling a build-up to a US Alliance destruction of Syria to parallel that in Iraq. One notes that “holocaust” means death of a large number of people and “genocide” means “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group”

    Mainstream Presstitutes & Syrian Genocide
    https://theyellowbrickroadfreeblog.wordpress.com/2013/05/05/mainstream-presstitutes-syrian-genocide/

    "this isn't about race anymore, its about power," one protester for freddie gray said on camera during an abc news clip. look at how many times the police brutality and illegal killings stories were intentionally shifted in their emphasis or focus. freddie gray was clearly unconscious and his spine already severed when put into the truck, so it scarcely matters when the news tries to make it an issue of timely medical response, an obvious way for media focus to protect the police from scrutiny in their overzealous tactics overall. the agents of the state in the media use these devices to distract from their democrat leaders, mayors, presidents, obvious inaction on the matter. the controlled media hosts scripts of white vs. black historical recountings of the old south, (e.g. trying to resuscitate jim crow imagery on amy goodmans democracy now, and many other democrat demagogue radio shows, norman goldman, tom hartman and mike malloy) rather than highlight the fact that numerous recent killings by police are in fact not relegated to race or impoverished urban areas but happen on the watch of their own democrat party officials on any race or any class whatsoever.

    we don't want to live in an america where the citizenry are continually having to fight the corporatized state and heavy handed oppression like these, and american business surely wont survive this constant upheaval and perpetual backlash aginst racist media, war propaganda, sexist and seedy smut programming, shallow drivel, ad driven scripted emotionalism sans substance. business will continue to suffer, the public demoralized by violence saturated shows, screams of anger and rage, shock video, heavy handed militarism, a countrys shattered image of decadence reinforced on a daily basis, and above all the lying, souless media hosts who ruthlessly supply these dogmas.

    agents of the state and big brother pt.III* the american people are being conditioned not to care about other people. president obama mass murders 150,000 people in syria for no reason, and radio hosts fail to ask why. they are being systematically dumbed down by mass media on purpose with hollywood housewives, duck dynasty cartoon character media host icons, and fake court judges and law tv. it is the agenda of mind control fascism media moguls and military intel psyops, keep the people dumb and fighting amongst themselves.

    police are videotaped planting crack on the innocent, what we have heard reported for long years is now a proven common occurence: rogue outlaw cops.it was reported on a radio show called latin waves that more than 5000 people have been killed in america by police since 2001.

    Americans Killed by Cops Now Outnumber Americans Killed in Iraq War

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/americans-killed-cops-outnumber-americans-killed-iraq-war/

    The justice system fails, people are tried in the media, not due process. democrat demogogue radio hosts fail to call for prosecution of police who need to be convicted of killings. democrats fail to press leaders to clean up corruption,instead acting as bulwarks against the public to protect their party from scandals. nancy grace and greta sustern act w/ the other 3 networks to attack the citizens, and defend the establishment. jack blood says there is "no hope-ium," he is emblematic of the cult of persona, fatalism, and defeatism rhetoric effectively causing activist and grassroots community paralysis, and by extension specific politicians are not held accountable and pressed to be responsive. and like pacifica radio, npr, GCN, the 'net roots radio' does not press for solutions and therefore becomes part of the problem: perpetual fear and oppression broadcasting, like GCN, net roots radio, and progressive voices, there are essentially psi-warfare radio hosts to undermine the power of the people, pushing a faux 'climate change' meme for a sideshow circus to distract from real change, protest is not encouraged but discouraged, powerlessness is reinforced, it is an agenda of demoralizing anger and discord. it is the state mass media communications channels pitting the people against each other based race, religion, or party."this isn't about race anymore, its about power," one protester for freddie gray said on camera during an abc news clip. look at how many times the police brutality and illegal killings stories were intentionally shifted in their emphasis or focus. freddie gray was clearly unconscious and his spine already severed when put into the truck, the boston bomber was tried and was found guilty by the media before the trial, presumed guilt before innocence is the standard for protecting the establishment parties and the police. pictures of arabs are painted in court w/ pointed beards, pointed ears, and hook noses to create the imagery of asmodeus for the FBI set up entrapment plots. people are beaten, raped, shot, police are rarely, if ever, convicted, and if they are their sentences are slaps on the wrist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS62kSIVqW4

    the violent video games, the gun brandishing hollywood stars, it is as if we are being bred for conflict, only conflict in media sells, there is no sanity and expression of harmony, peace, tranquility or sanctity, the saturation sales and advertising in media has conditioned us from stimulus to response without thinking or reason: to supply us with a bloody hockey brawl to sell tickets and beer, of senseless texting by young people on i-phones being honed to instant buy with useless gadgets, to instant reaction on facebook psywarfare/spyware, to 'sexting' with animal impulse. we are controlled with low mentality louie c.k.'s anti intellectual, nihilistic, drivel - but labelled with "n.y. film" stamp as if it is "art." :S

    we don't want to live in an america where the citizenry are continually having to fight the corporatized state and heavy handed oppression like these, and american business surely wont survive this constant upheaval and perpetual backlash aginst racist media, war propaganda, heavy handed militarism, a countrys shattered image of decadence reinforced on a daily basis, and above all, the lying, souless media hosts who ruthlessly supply these dogmas.
     
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    Like so many aspects of the us government shell corp. entity, the defense industry is rubberstamping, and no regulations. it took a huge oil spill in the gulf for americans to realize their governments regulations and responsibility were not there. fda bends to the will of big pharma, bought and paid for clinical trials, food inspectors are routinely few in number, gmo and pesticide poisons are left hidden, dangerous growth hormones are a norm, banks and bank shell corps like AIG take public funds into private hands accountable to no one, tax regulations dodged by every major tv news broadcaster, [and surely is a kickback the reward for a propagandized bulwark against Left Wing america]. showbiz price gouges us for our horrible ad saturated movies, radio and tv ,the us government keeps health fees and pills artificially high, to make sure the public tax money flows seamlessly to big defense and oil. the regulation of the private sector, and the responsibility of government to protect the taxpayer citizenry is illusory.

    the main problem with the "alternative" media is that former govmnt people and "embedded" type reporters are really clouding the issues, IMO. ray mcGovern, cia robert fisk, snowden, etc. the "sanctimonius" chris hedges once stated due to his "travels and experience abroad with the haditha masscare in syria in the 80s, he had no doubt Assad caused the chemical attacks". what bs. And liars like Amy Goodman got her millions secured from the Pacifica foundation while all the union workers and reporters got fired from wbai, kpfk, kpfa, etc. although no one listens to establishment gatekeepers like goodman, abby martin and rt, their ratings suck, they still provide lies and cover for the rest of the radio broadcasters. Thru the CIA front "professional left" centralized control of blog headlines and topics w/ a herd mentality combining truth and disinfo hype grandstanding on israel, russia, and protecting the democrat party from scandal for creating al queda in syria/ISIS. long after obama is gone, progressive media will be in tatters, never to recover their reputation destroyed like michael moore, who have become obama apologists. they never brought up how arming of al queda and libya, syria are the massive high crimes and misdemeanors worthy of impeachment by democrats, the betrayal of american troops who sacrifice to battle terrorism, and aid and abet like nbc,cnn,fox in covering up the true sponsor of terrorism (america) in the region of syria,iraq, as the former air america hosts cover up up for the president on their faux left shows.A broadcast on the ADD plagued, fear mongering but generally accurate jack blood show featrured NSA agent scott rickard, 2/24/15. He was analyzing ISIS saying it was the french foreign legion mercenaries, but admitted later that they were aided by the us when pressed by jack. like ray does, scott tries to pull a fast one like people who say isis is mossad (snowden). isis is american mercenaries, period. the goal is control of iraq and overthrow assad. the fact that israel aids america in the field is incidental, as they have oil interests, but they are always aiding but the the new world order strategy is purely american. progressives you have been had. the media is bought and paid for, including the soros funded on the left and even robert parry who like to blame republicans and goes decades back in history to avoid blaming democrats, although his research is flawless, his agenda is clear, like others to exculpate the democrat white house and congress. among those mentioned who has chronicled on broadcast media (besides PCR) the overt warmongering and diplomatic statements of john kerry over time? In dec 2014 Kerry stated that "it was time for a political solution to the conflict in syria". did it get swept under the rug? only fearmongering sells on radio-tv? the blame game to israel and bush? few progressive types in broadcasting have any credibility left - cindy sheehan, lendman, corbett and there is way too much gatekeeping. project censored is a farce, mike malloy asked on his show last week "are we at war w/pakistan?" to which his wife kathy replied, "i dont know". we all know the answer is yes. progressive media is a coopted tragedy in this country. PRN.fm gary null had the CFRs scott horton on last week, and that channel is now a haven for cia front think tanks.

    the US afraid of losing coontrol of completely ill conceived balkanization strategy which throws the entire globe into chaos. this is not what gene sharp had in mind when he came up with his deplorable soft power "color revolutions" which were supposed to be less destructive than total, all out war. But that model failed so you have CFR people going to scorched earth mode. so much media like the NYT (especially on the classified yemen) is corporate censors it imposiible to open source, but tony needs to start using other diverse sources/ the last time we examined this subject, the great petras had to lay it on us. This article shows just how much reporting about the policy is "embedded" type censorship. The Pakistani PM also attempted to conceal the fact that the drone strikes on his own citizens were in fact the United States also. The US govmnt is continually trying to cover up the fact that they are the worlds policemen by hiding behind nato,the gcc puppets, coalitions of the willing, despoys and puppet dictators. It doesn't fly anymore, the size of the pentagon budget, pointless wars of american origin, grred and plunder, its obvious the new world order is an american plot. and in yemen they are trying to bomb the worlds poor and oppressed into submission.

    anyone who votes democrat anymore after the obama-hillary led carnage in libya, syria is a coward and is a supporter of mass killing and destruction. the utter hypocrisy of progressives who call themselves as such and have demonstrated themselves to being nothing more than democrat party cheerleaders pointing the finger at neocons/israel for democrat supported wars is indefensible.

    (e.g.) the cable held by merkel, re: the 50,000 ukraine dead was censored by almost every prog radio/blog; the 2,000 airstrikes on iraq syria would have been way more than adequate to destroy isis if it was the actual target of the obama admin; how ebola was used as a false pretext for africom to invade; stories that could be told in 10 minutes but were excised completely. jack blood was the only one to describe that latter africa invasion, but instead took a week of fear ebola stuff, just like his week of fear vaccines in previous weeks, or fear flouride in the water, and the venezula coup attempt was only explained by mike malloy after a phone caller introduced it, it was complete censorship, maybe because it is so damning of the peace prize 'lesser of two evils' script so many radio hosts are using. when the left hand of the new world order is hiding timely reporting behind its back, the right arm displays the media elites tabloid hand of right v. left food fight. much in the same way, so called alternative shows will suppress truth w/ new agey health snake oil gary null, phony spiritiualism or think tank groupthink at PRN.fm. like global warming or flouride in the water endless hours of air time are wasted on fear nonsense rather than truthful investigative reports, as more media icons are planted everyday to intentionally squelch grassroots programming with mind control, empty speculation devoid of facts, the radio/new sites indeed "program the brain - not the heartbeat " black sabbath, computer god as human rights issues take a backseat in war zones by a large extent in the modern age, and this is no accident that google.yahoo news are also in bed w/ nsa and cia, the yahoo op-ed pages were ended they became hyper critical of obamas wars, and their content is carefully crafted by the pentagon, even my blog comments at countercurrent.org blog were all deleted recently, but i am no mild mannered cindy sheehan, i abhor these big brother mind control schemes and express it accordingly

    Al Qaeda Levant aka FSA Targets Civilians Directly

    " Assassinations, car bombs, suicide bombers, slitting throats, beheading, raping, kidnapping.. you think of it, they did it. Syrians consider them mercenaries, western media portrait them as 'freedom fighters' and they name them: the Free Syrian Army."

    http://democratic-syria.blogspot.com/2012/11/al-qaeda-levant-aka-fsa-target.html

    These are their victims:

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    I have not heard one progressive radio even mention this 2,000 airstrike statistic, and how abosolutely corrupt, ruthless and illegal it is. that speaks VOLUMES on how controlled "the net roots radio" and the "professional left" REALLY IS.

    on whom, what for? if the target of those 2,000 strikes was ISIS they would all be dead. But that ISIS is a target is obviously a lie and excuse to control oil.

    the democrats have a definite PR shill problem with their talk shows. shame, shame mr. prez.

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    Red and Blue are two sides of the same coin. At the end of the day both serve the oligopolies who are turning America into a society of indentured servitude.

    The only "Hope for Change" is to vote for something other than Red or Blue.
     
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    Agreed. But its not in the economic interest of the dirtied masses in America, the working people, what is left of the middle class. This is for the elites, and we export more weapons than consumer goods.

    I guess ISIS needs some more training. They need to get better, so that we can commit another trillion in fighting them.
     
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    The EU as an American control mechanism? That kind of makes sense, actually, since it means there's only one big political entity to control in Europe instead of a bunch of individual national entities. But my question would then be whether it really stops with the US, or whether it's ultimately the work of the banksters who likewise control America by controlling its money supply.
     
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    The oligopolies that run our country stopped caring about the economic interest of the "dirtied masses" a long time ago.

    The oligopolies want to create a system of indentured slavery, a system where the workers pay even more of the corporate share of taxes and take less wages so that more profits can to shareholders.

    It is not like this is some big secret. The elephant in the room is that the Whitehouse, Congress, State Department, Pentagon, Defense Department, Mass Media are in on the game.
     
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    the last thing a nation of corpratists and oligarches wants is a public citizenry that is empowered, informed and resolute, they will do any amount of fear propaganda to achieve and maintain constant social entropy, they will distort and accenuate social networks with 'outrage', they will throw any old amount of crap at the wall until something sticks to keep the free peoples at bay, some new gimmick some new gadget, some push button emotionalism, amoral or anti-religion tirade, or side show distraction agents to keep the people from seeing and being united against american new world order of universal slaughter hidden behind the nobel peace prize figurehead. CIA front foundations are betting heavily that a splintered Left cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. The net effect of perpetual fear messages is ACTIVIST PARALYSIS, of course, and that is the message CIA want to send rather than have embarrassing videos of anti-war folks battling Homeland Security Goonsquads coming to town (beep beep)

    [video=youtube;4X6htpBFLeQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X6htpBFLeQ[/video]

    what the faux 'libertarians' at GCN are waking people up to is fear and mind control, however, and the faux 'progressive' Amy Goodman has to revive the 'jim crow' terminology interviewing protestors and bystanders to her thousands of listeners with democrat indoctrination, paranoia, divide and rule. to feed the flames of disinfo that likwise discredited her pro-invasion, capitalist divide and conquer which made up her Syria-Libya coverage. thats why the globalist NWO Soros and Ford gives her millions, to keep the masses pitted against one another, to divide along racial lines for the benefit of the "democratic" elites. both whites and blacks are being wrongly beaten and shot by police in mass numbers, but they don't report that because it doesn't serve their "vote for democrats" its the "racist republicans fault" divide and conquer scheme and monetary fund drive.

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    Doesn't it seem sort of idiotic now wasting all that time on the Global Warming mass mind control psyop by Democrat Party talking heads and distraction agents?

    Oh and Tom Hartman I'm glad you said "I have the deepest respect for the Obama administration" it proves that RT, FreeSpeech TV, Al Jazeera, were run by the warmongering globalists and the NWO the entire time.The Ford and Foundation funded outlets NPR, Pacifica, Democracy Now, Free Speech TV, can try like hell to fool all the people all the time with astroturf establishment antics and parallel Left outrages, but it wont work to get our attentions away from Obamas mass war crimes in Libya, Syria and Iraq and the bloodiest massacres imaginable. how can so many "progressive" commentators ignore Democrat Partys many warmongering regime change statements over the years - Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, Elizabeth Warren, Leon Penetta, John Kerry, and the rise of ISIS,Al Queda, Al Nusra - the Benghazi/Jordan/Turkey to Syria weapons, training, logistics routes being SYSTEMATICALLY COVERED UP BY "NetRoots" and "Progressive Voices" Radio Democrat Party hacks?

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    Yeah - funny how neither side rushes to correct the record when the "blame Iran" lies start being used as excuses for these wars implementation. The tv news shills blamed Iran for alledgedly "aiding" Syria with troops (which Syria denies), "aiding" the houthis in Yemen (a lie), just as the news channels used to blame Iran (falsely) for "aiding" terrorists in Iraq.
     
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    oh oh, that sounds me a lot, it is not similar to another plot which consisted in train military rebels who were commanded by someone called Osama¿?
     
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    Phil Donahue spoke up against the Iraq war when it was "inappropriate" and had never worked since. "All the news that's "fit" to Print".

    Fox would love nothing better than to Trash Obama over giving arms and support to Al Qaeda and Al Nusra ( or so we would think) but this is "inappropriate" at this time.

    Folks that even pay a little attention to global affairs realize "We can not attack Iran without permission from Russia". (or doing so would have such grave consequences that it would be far worse than anything we would gain).

    This is the big elephant in the room that needs to go un-reported to maintain the "necessary illusion" that we are still the only Bully on the block and can do as we please without consequence.

    Bibi knows this (as do many of the GOP - those who are not complete idiots and there are many of those as well). They know that they can play politics with this one and the Administration is defenseless because they know they can not mention the elephant.

    The "only" reasonable way to deal with Iran was to sit down with the key players - China, Russia, UK, France, US, Germany - and hash things out. And that was what was done.

    Its not like Russia is not already pissed off. Without Russia/China there is no Sanctions. Worried about nukes ? Russia can just give one to Iran if they want to.

    That idea that somehow the US and Israel are the only players in this game such that we can just do what we want with Iran is simply bizarre and irrational fantasy.

    Ukraine: Part of this was actually reported in the initial stages, prior to the mass media going mute. Chris Mathews (Hardball) had a History expert on Russian geopolitics when this thing first broke out. This was before Crimea voted to succeed.

    The guy talked about how after WWII NATO has been expanding beyond what was agreed to. Then he talked about how after the wall fell NATO has expanded beyond what it agreed to in Eastern Europe (former Soviet Republic nations). As Russia was demilitarizing Eastern Europe .. NATO was building bases.

    He then talked about how Crimea has been a Russian Strategic interest for centuries and how it was almost unthinkable that Russia would accept further NATO incursion on this interest.

    Russia had warned numerous times that Ukraine was a red line in the sand. There was political turmoil in Ukraine and fascists (including pro Nazi nutjobs) had come to power.

    There was not a single member of NATO who did not at least think to themselves - perhaps we are going to far. Russia had not reacted much so far though so why not push across the red line.

    The feigned "we didn't know" .."why is Russia upset" is a disingenuous political joke. NATO should have never considered membership for Ukraine. They knew it would cause trouble. To pretend otherwise after the fact was pure politics and the mass media was not going to tell us otherwise. That would be "inappropriate". All the news that's "Fit" to print.

    In 2002 Bush pulled out of the Anti Ballistic Missile treaty. The reason for this treaty is so that some "buckaroo" does not get the hair brained idea that "we can fire our missiles and when the other retaliates we can just shoot them down"

    Putin's comment at the time was "This is a mistake".

    Then - in 2007 we start putting ABM's (missile defense) on Russia's borders in Czechoslovakia and Poland ??

    This of course destabilizes nuclear détente and Russia is forced to take counter measures. Missile defense is stupid for a number of reasons.

    1) countering is easy - more Subs is one. The really scary option is to put nukes in space and Russia talked about this but fortunately did not do it.

    I for one would not sleep better at night knowing that rather than having a nuke take 30 minutes to get here from Russia, there is one above my head 30 seconds away. Talk about hair trigger ?

    Another option is the one Russia went with. Short and intermediate range nukes (these are cruise missiles rather than ballistic missiles) which can take out any missile defense prior to launching ballistic missiles.

    Then we have the Obama-clown going on TV last year crying the blues "Russia has violated the Short and Intermediate nuke treaty". Well no shart Sherlock ... you were the one that forced him to do it. Obama conveniently failed to mention this of course but what is interesting is that none of the mass media saw fit to mention these facts either.

    Is there anything newsworthy about ramping up the threat of nuclear annihilation ? Apparently not ... that would be "inconvenient".

    For a couple days we had clips of Reagan signing the treaties with the Russians ... now the bad Russians are going against these treaties.

    Not a word about Bush pulling out of the ABM treaty and not a peep about .... yeah but it was us that forced the Russians to take counter measures.

    Speak about that and end up like Phil Donahue.
     
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    Dont believe a word of that Tom Hanks propaganda film - "Charlie Wilsons War". CIA created the modern war of terror, not some hick politician.

    Also , CIA director William Casey created Al Queda/Mujadeen in Afghanistan not Zbigniew Brzezinski. Brzezinski is often incorrectly credited with creating the terrorists because of his "Grand Chessboard" book on progressive / alternative radio, corbett report, blogs, infowars etc. The whole Iraq and Afghani-scam of CIA Director Casey managing and creating the enemy before America invades down the road, is well documented. Casey closely managed the war of Iran vs. Iraq, conventional and chemical weapons to Saddam, CIA support of Noreiga, the Nicarguan Contras, creating the war in Afghanistan, and taking over ABC News with his CIA front Capital Cities in order to dispense war propaganda, and cover his tracks.
     
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    If true this is sickening. From OP's aim link:

    "The commission found out that the civil war in Libya could have been avoided, and would have saved thousands of lives and the enormous turmoil that followed the fall of the dictator Muammar Qaddafi. After a few days of the Obama administration declaration that the United States would support the Libyan rebels, Qaddafi wanted to enter negotiations to discuss his possible abdication and exile.

    On March 20, 2011 General Abdulqader Yusef Dibri, head of personal security for Qaddafi, contacted Rear Admiral (Ret.) Chuck Kubic. Upon receiving this information, Rear Admiral Kubic telephoned Lieutenant Colonel Brian Linvill in Stuttgart, Germany, the U.S. AFRICOM officer point of contact for all military matters involving Libya.

    Lieutenant Colonel Linvill immediately notified the head of AFRICOM, General Carter Ham, stating that the Libyan dictator was ready to establish communication with the Africa military command. General Ham was quite interested. However, the Obama administration did not give permission to General Ham to proceed with the negotiations.

    The opportunity for a peaceful resolution of the conflict in Libya did not interest President Obama. The war continued and tens of thousands of lives were lost. It was absolutely appalling that the White House and the State Department did not even consider entering into negotiations with Qaddafi to avoid bloodshed since President Obama and Secretary Clinton wanted to pursue the unconstitutional war in Libya supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and the al Qaeda-linked rebels. Both Obama and Clinton need to explain to the American people and to Congress why both of them wanted to empower jihadists and the Muslim Brotherhood in Libya, which went against the national security interest of our nation.

    “2) Changing sides in the War on Terror: Even more disturbingly, the United States was fully aware of and facilitating the delivery of weapons to the al Qaeda-dominated rebel militias throughout the 2011 rebellion. The jihadist agenda of AQIM, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, and other Islamic terror groups represented among the rebel forces was well known to U.S. officials responsible for Libya policy.

    The rebels made no secret of their al Qaeda affiliation, openly flying and speaking in front of the black flag of Islamic Jihad, according to author John Rosenthal and multiple media reports. And yet, the White House and senior Congressional members deliberately and knowingly pursued a policy that provided material support to terrorist organizations in order to topple a ruler who had been working closely with the West actively to suppress al Qaeda. The result in Libya, across much of North Africa, and beyond has been utter chaos, disruption of Libya’s oil industry, the spread of dangerous weapons (including surface-to-air missiles), and the empowerment of jihadist organizations like al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.”...."

    OP's link: http://www.aim.org/guest-column/barack-obama-hillary-clinton-and-their-roles-in-libya/
     
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    Dennis Kucinich confirmed it in an interview.

    What bothers me is that many media people in America can just ignore all the Syria carnage their own president is causing by arming/training the FSA terrorists. They talk like Obama is some swell guy on TV, and there is like 160,000 dead people lying around.

    How much of the "progressive" media like completely ignore Obama war crimes and atrocities cause by the terrorist mercs. Webzines like TruthOut, Alternet, TPM, Huffington or just lie their asses off about the subject.

    faux Progressive democrat shills - have a heart, act like a human being and tell the truth.
     
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    I agree with your statements. This is bizarre to see this actually happening. We are training our next enemy? Why? How do we not learn? What problems have the leaders of Syria caused for the US? Why are we so insistent in making enemies in these insane muslim countries? If they want to run around killing each other, why would we bother getting involved? It makes no sense.
     
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    here is an article from an indy peace activist who travelled to Syria:

    there has always been a bigger problem w/ public radio and tv using contributors with questionable backrounds and ties to the defense industry and war making establishment. the lies about obamas syria have been some of the worst examples of massive psyops campaign we've seen, faked youtube, photoshopped pics, wag the dog scenarios, false pre-text and demonizing innocent arab and persian peoples its disgusting, not to mention the usual silence from the radio prog hosts - there are 1500 people dying every month now in iraq, over 150,000 dead in syria and you can't tell your own democrat party is fascist fellow pro. media? you waste a week talking about bernie sanders? since the so called escalation 'against ISIS'. of course, the u.s. pentagon lackey press does not even ask the most obvious questions like - why does the obama presidency not fullfill its promise to use more diplomatic methods than this mass brutality and slaughter tactics? hasn't iraq been thru enough? why must we always attempt to exterminate the iraqi families again who fled to syria to escape bush-obamas henious death squads? this is umacceptable and progressive must push for an end to death squad diplomacy in iraq and syria. obamas militarist junta will be defined NOT by obamacare, or pulling back in iraq, or being the first black to occupy the white house BUT WHOSE PRESIDENCY WILL be defined by the WAR IN SYRIA to heartlessly slaughter innocents by arming/training terrorists and by his false flag repeat of WMD chemical weapons excuses like Bush."the actings lousy but the blind don't know". and the bbc or cnns int'natls brits are not hidden in their agenda behind their sophisticated linguistic and accented mental gymnastics to appear as if they are 'reasonable' or 'unbiased' we know they are putting on a stage play as well. please UK stop sending us your media hosts, they are embarrassing censors, unstyled ratings clowns devoid of content, and put worse an already pathetic u.s. media situation.


    CIA-Backed Rebels Fight Alongside al-Qaeda Wing in Syria
    http://www.newsweek.com/cia-backed-rebels-fight-alongside-al-qaeda-wing-syria-327064

    “ISIL completely fabricated enemy by USA”, former CIA contractor
    http://investmentwatchblog.com/isil-completely-fabricated-enemy-by-usa-former-cia-contractor/

    US-backed militias commit war crimes in Iraq
    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/10/16/iraq-o16.html

    [video=youtube;7sJs6TlBLHk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sJs6TlBLHk [/video]
     
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    Arming, training and meeting with al queda is a crime ask John McCain in his pow-wow with ISIS Bhagdadi. Speaking of elephants in the room, how about that bloodbath for 'regime change' Obama started. What are we over looking NeoCon styled war crimes now
    progressive 'anti-war' movement. A lot of silence on the Left considering:

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    ISIS is a necessary evil when dealing with Persia and its stooges in the region.
     
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    It is a blatant and obvious crime. I think it was a test of the powers at be. "Lets test how stupid and ignorant the sheep really are" or something of that nature.

    They demonize Al Qaeda (and with good reason), take away rights and freedoms and trample on the constitution on the basis of fear of this demon (fear of external threat). Then they turn around and give arms and support to this same group and see if they can get away with it.

    The experiment was a complete success. The control over the media is complete. Not a peep from Red, Blue, or Center media.

    There was one voice Senator Black from Virginia
    This one voice was successfully drowned out by the cacophony so the system works perfectly. You get to maintain the "necessary illusion" of freedom of speech and that we have some kind of viable democracy, while maintaining a very high level of control.

    The power of the Oligopolies is maintained and goes relatively unchallenged by the ignorant raging masses.

    It is quite an amazing accomplishment. I am not even sure it is necessarily a bad thing. It depends on the nature of those running the show.

    What is a fact though is that the power has been taken from the hands of the people and is not in the hands of the few.

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    It was reported that Iraqis being interviewed knew that ISIS did not exist - that it was simply America and it trained forces making sure that Iraq did not make independant strides toward self governance.

    this whole mess would have been avoided w/ russia if obama simply had the guts to stop the syria war plans in their tracks, and said, "this is madness, this is neocon craziness, the worst idea since iraq," and obama should have said, "i wont do it." then the pentagon would not have to stage all these fake beheading videos of u.s., euro, and asian personnel to propagandize voters in those societies to accept more war (while covering up their own CIA syria-iraq civillian death squad murders) and then the media would not have been exposed (even on the alternative media internet circuit) as being such transparent frauds defending the party and scratching the backs of other establishment shills, who peddle disinfo propping up the BIG LIE: to conceal that al queda the enemy and its american pentagon are all on the same team, just like the democrats, and the neocons are on the same team. Their staged conflict is for public consumption only. Both parties are shills for Big Oil wars, and dupe the domestic and international community accordingly. We are led to believe that CIA doesn't do Psyops domestically but that is a lie. But now that its been exposed that facebook, twitter, progressive radio, iphone apps are spyware, are all one big centcom plot, along w. many planted "dissident" authors the whole facade fades and crumbles like with rigged computer voting. your democracy is an illusion.

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    Does this military employ psyops on its citizens - you bet ...

    Is ISIS Beheading Video Of 21 Egyptian Christians Fake? Film Experts Argue ‘Yes’
    http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-beheadi...hristians-fake-film-experts-argue-yes-1824034

    Fracking Insiders Admit To Employing Military 'Psychological Operations' On American Citizens
    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-...ogial-operations-on-american-citizens-2011-11
     
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    No good can come of this. Assad and his army is as bad as ISIS. The best we can hope for is that they both execute each other until neither is left.
     
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    These retards in DC forgot we trained Bin Laden to fight USSR in Afghanistan?
     
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    No they didn't. John McVain met Syrian Al Queda/ISIS rebels twice, once in Aleppo and again on Memorial Day.

    Also from yesterday:

    U.S. Intelligence Predicted 2012 Benghazi Attack: :icon_jawdrop:

    Exposed Documents Details Weapons In Benghazi Prior To Massacre


    "In said documents, a host of new details on the events leading up to the 2012 Benghazi Attack were exposed. This includes knowledge of a growing threat in Benghazi because it is the initial location where a host of weapons were shipped out to other Middle Eastern countries including Iraq and Syria"

    http://www.inquisitr.com/2100975/us...s-detail-weapons-in-benghazi-before-massacre/
     

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