American education is falling down

Remove minorities so that our demographics mirror some of those other higher scoring countries, and suddenly our numbers are almost identical...who would've think it=) Just saying.

And in the end, our BEST kids are just as bright as anyone elses best. We've got a lot of losers, but we have plenty of smarter people to control the losers. That's what diversity and unregulated immigration has wrought. If we controlled our immigration like some of those countries that rank so high in education, we wouldn't have any problems. How's that diversity in Japan or Finland going? What about Sweden? Millions of poor, non-vaccinated, disease carrying people clawing their way over their borders every year? NO? Shocking.

Does Japan have women who pump out babies from 5 different fathers to get a bigger welfare check? Does Sweden have men empregnating 10 different women and running off? Want to know who LOWERS our scores. Take a wild guess.

 

China affects me a lot more than Oklahoma does. The keyboard I am typing this on was manufactured in China, as well as the monitor I am using. Looking around, I can't think of anything I own that was manufactured in Oklahoma. I have no relatives that I know of there, my wife is not from there, and as far as I can tell, Oklahoma is just another one of those states that I once had to learn the name of the state capitol back in Miss Haygen's third grade classroom (long since forgotten).

Considering the trade imbalance between China and the United States, it seems to me that an educated Chinese populace affects me far more than whatever goes on in Oklahoma. They might grow corn there, so they profit a lot more from me than I do from them considering that ridiculous ethanol mandate which unnecessarily raises gasoline prices as well as taking food off of my plate by artificially raising the price of corn products.

If Oklahoma were to be sucked into a vortex of suckage and disappear off the face of the earth, my life would probably improve. China, on the other hand, I need because they manufacture quite a few of the things that help maintain the quality of life that I have grown accustomed to.

 

Asians typically and consistently perform well, so my guess is culture.

 

*sigh* It's sad you can't see the forest for the trees. As I pointed out with references, you and your childrens quality of life will decline if we fail to better educate the US. The uneducated mass in Oklahoma and everywhere else is the problem, not China. You want to compete with China? You need a smarter public. Want trade deals that don't hurt Americans? You need a smarter public. You want a transparent and honest government? You guessed it, you need a smarter public.

On one hand you want a nation of idiots and on the other you demand remarkable task achieved. You sir have impossible expectations.

 

During the 70's in some Anglo countries they had a system called "Open Planning". It was liberalism in its essence applied to the education system- students showed up to class when they wanted to and teacher authority was heavily diminished (in turn increasing student authority). The whole thing was such a drastic failure that even the liberals of the era who implemented it decided to scrap it.

Liberalism has always been at the root cause of social problems. You simply can't have a society where students dictate to their teachers what to do, children dictate to their parents and so forth. Anything that rejects the natural hierarchy of humanity (teacher over student, parent over child) is doomed to failure. Liberalism exists in direct opposition to this hierarchy- teachers don't go to school so they can be lectured to by kids who think they know better.

Ask yourself what really are the problems with the education system? It's that students don't respect authority, aren't focused and aren't motivated. We didn't have this problem back when the authority of the teacher over the student was virtually unquestionable- no nation did.

America is the bastion of liberalism on this planet. Those of us who aren't American should be blaming you for the fact the schools in the UK, Australia and other countries are just as screwed up as those in your own.

 

You provided two links, but didn't quote from either of them something that could be considered a substantiation of your idea that subsidizing the education of other people's children in different parts of the country is in my best interest. Sorry, but I'm just not seeing it.

Explain your idea instead of posting links and saying that it's too bad I don't agree with your idea that my life will be positively affected if I fail to subsidize schools I don't even know. Maybe they aren't good schools. How would I know, since the only thing I know about Oklahoma is that the Joads once lived there.

I have no particular desire to compete with China. I just mentioned that China positively affects my life far more than Oklahoma does.

No, I don't want a nation of idiots. People are what they are, and if they don't want to be chemical engineers, then they are free to take out a 200,000 dollar loan for an education in transgender studies, or they can pick up a crack pipe on the way home from the welfare office.

Who are we to judge the aspirations and dreams of others?

 

Um, what you referenced doesn't say that class size is under-rated. But rather, when it's well-designed and implemented student achievement rises.
Which is true. Individualized attention is VASTLY superior to trying to learn generically from a generic teacher in a classroom of 20-25(or higher).
I've experienced the difference. It's way easier.(Due to rehabilitation, I attended a private school from age 7-13).

 

inner city schools are like prisons

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-singer/why-many-inner-city-schoo_b_5993626.html


now compare that to a wealthy school

http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015/02/09/382122276/rich-school-poor-school

 

I said in my own words how education is directly linked to the economy. Then I posted links that actually verify it. See you didn't have to look at the links but unlike most here I site my information instead of parroting rumors I heard from the last redneck shindig. Now your asking me to write it in crayola and I refuse. If you don't have the intellect to see that the dumber the public the poorer the economy with the evidence that was literally thrown at you then you're wasting your time and mine as well.

Here you go with Oklahoma again, can you not differentiate from an example and the broader picture? I can't tell if you're trolling or have some advanced ADD. Those links show stupid people=poor economy, that dumbed down enough?

You don't huh? Well maybe your state hit dead last in education? Honest question because your reasoning skills are all over the place.

And I quote....

I think you're fading in and out as you type.

 

Okay I'll try a different tact and try to actually put your argument down in my words, and you tell me if I'm correct.

We need more educated people in the country because the better an education one has, the more productive they are as citizens. This productivity positively affects me because I am an American, and will benefit from the improved productivity of the country as a whole.

Is this your argument?

Oklahoma is just an example. It could be Minnesota or Michigan. So long as we're talking about a place where I am not, then it's the same thing.

 

Well, that's the public school system for you. Here in LA we just booted the woman that was responsible for the infamous billion dollar iPad fiasco.

This is why I'm not willing to take any chances with the public school system, it's basically the luck of the draw and it's even worse than that, your zip code will determine whether you're going to be upwardly mobile or not. That is ludicrous, and meanwhile we have all this idiotic "testing" (which is more like programming since it pretty much determines your child's future) like No Child Left With A Dime.... I mean.... how can I say this.... the politicians should keep their grubby little paws off of our schools.

Having said that, it is a characteristic of inner city schools that the parents are completely disinterested. My buddy taught science at John Muir, one of the biggest schools in LA, they have about 3800 students so you figure there's 7500 parents around - you know how many showed up for parent's night? SEVEN. Seven out of 7500. And unfortunately, that is a pattern in the inner city schools. Do I want my child going to a school where no one cares? Hell no. I want my children focused on their dreams, not on some idiotic government curriculum. I tell 'em "you want to be a fireman? here's how you get there - first you learn to read, then you learn to write, and then you learn to add numbers - and once that's all done, if you still want to be a fireman, you can learn how to put out fires".

 

Wall street bailouts and Military Industrial Complex is sucking money away from more important things like education.
You go to the Science, Engineering departments of any American university, you'll probably see 30 -40 % Faculty are foreign born (Chinese, Indian, Mid Eastern) . Why so many foreign born? I be it has something to do with the fact that approx. 40% Americans actually believe in Creation Myths, and the fact that the gov't doesn't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about Educating Americans.

 

Horsecrap, we spend the majority of school funds on bureaucracy, administrators eat up the majority of the budget with the rest going for teachers salaries and pensions. only a tiny sliver of what we spend actually makes it to the classrooms.
The educational system is exactly what the government wants it to be, dysfunctional, and if you try to homeschool your kids you will be harassed and probably investigated by CPS because the government wants to monopolize the educational process.

 

That's because there really isn't all that much that money can do. You have a classroom, desks, textbooks, a chalkboard, students and a teacher. And then you have faculty meetings where everybody has an idea on what can be done for things that the teachers say they can't do.

So here's how it goes. A teacher has a class full of kids that he can't teach. Now instead of coming right out and admitting "look, I can't teach those little (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s. They don't do homework, they don't sit still, and they don't (*)(*)(*)(*)", he's gotta come up with something that makes it seem like not being able to do his job is somebody else's problem. If they can't sit down and (*)(*)(*)(*), he will say that the school lacks a behavioral specialist. The other teachers agree because they've got the same problem. So they hire a behavioral specialist. This behavioral specialist gets to the school and finds out that the real problem is that the kids are poor and the parents are crackheads, and grandma is taking care of them. He can't do anything about crackhead parents so he joins the faculty meeting and suggests that somebody else is needed because he can't do his job.

 

I think he means money raised via taxes which by all intents and purposes a portion should be funnelled into education. You are graciously invited to put as much of your money into education you wish.

 

This where the American system fails. The school district funding schools instead of the state. Schools in lower socio-economic districts will receive less funding than those in wealthier districts.

With this attitude you'll be importing your profession people from developing countries within two decades because you'll run out of funds to train them.

 

The reason American education is falling down is the fact that too many radical leftwing liberals are in education. They are promoting their radical agenda rather than education.

 

Yes, they will receive less funding because the residents in those districts have less money to spend on their children. This is the same reason people in those lower socio-economic districts don't live in expensive homes and drive expensive cars.

I know this isn't new news, so why are you bringing this up as some sort of failing of the American education system?

Is this a problem?

Please note, I think I get where you're going with this, but these are not complete arguments. You've identified a problem and a solution you'd like to see implemented, but the premises for the argument are missing. Why is it a problem that some school districts are well-funded, while others are not? What is the idea behind changing the way schools are currently funded?

 

So,, what are your arguments? What are your solutions if you have any?

 

The underscored sentences are links. If you're too lazy to click on them don't blame me.

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Really? Who are these people and can you please provide some evidence? Thanks.

 

The problem is that schools are funded by people who own property in the same district, rather than individuals on a voluntary basis. This requires money spent on things that I, as a parent, might not find important, but my neighbors do. There is also a big problem with the federal government taxing me, and then using that money to bribe schools to do what the federal government wants, rather than what I, as a consumer want.

All of this takes money from my pocket and gives it to others to spend, rather than allowing me to spend my money the way I want to.

They're my children, and I don't need uncle sam or bob from down the street helping me decide how I will spend my money.

 

This is interesting. Do you really have a say where your tax dollars are spent? Do you think education should come out of taxes or be independently funded by individuals or even corporations? What about corporations lobbying governments on education?

This should be interesting.

 

I don't know where you get this stuff, Kids aren't teachable? Kids are all teachable unless they have an extreme learning disability. The fact of the matter is the educational system is not designed to teach. 50 years ago kids had maybe 30 min of homework once a week, now kids have 2 hrs. a night of homework and it is so completely redundant and nonsensical it bores them into a coma. But then that is what it is designed to do. If you are really interested in the truth, perhaps you would like to listen to someone who is arguably the foremost academic in the country about what the educational system is designed to do.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...MNo6EqCs9xbCuxwhgwqA3Bg&bvm=bv.95039771,d.aWw

 

Our grandson started school this year. Our daughter is now a single mum thanks to her deadbeat husband. She managed to get our grandson into a really good public school outside their feeder area. This school has a homework policy which is circulated amongst parents and carers. No child should be doing more than 30 minutes homework a day. From the policy, words to the effect "60 minutes of outside play is more beneficial than 30 minutes homework." By the way, these kids are 5 to 12 year olds.

 

I have a real problem with the fact that kids today, at least here in America, really do not get a chance to be kids like we did when we grew up.
When I was a kid, basically any time which we did not spend in school was spent outside playing and learning the ways of the world.
Today, kids are cooped up inside their houses and have replaced real living with virtual lives of video games and TV.