Confederate flag equals gay flag

Two current events are happening in the US.

One is the attempt to eradicate the Confederate flag.



http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/take-down-the-confederate-flag-now/396290/

And the other event is the celebration of gay marriage using the gay flag.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tates-authorize-sex-unions-United-States.html

Everything appears to be right, but the big mistake is not seen by many because ignorance.

The origin of a flag was to represent a kind of people, and to identify the culture, the ownership, and so forth.

Luckily, the American society didn't fall in the silly argument of creating the "Black people flag" as to be recognized nationwide or worldwide so others will know that people of color in societies are a "different kind of people".

We don't see the "Latino flag" in the US society, we don't see the "illegal immigrant flag" in the US society, we don't see the "cancer patients flag" is the US society, we don't see the "religious flag" in the US society, because right or wrong these people don't feel that they are a separate class from the rest of society.

We see flags representing a cause to fight for, like curing diseases, but flags representing a different kind of people is a different scenario.

The Confederate flag means separation, a kind of people who belong to a different culture.

The same as well, the gay flag means separation, a kind of people who belong to a different culture.

I follow the American flag, and to me, another flag belonging to a different culture is not my flag and even more, it might mean that those people who follow the gay flag will be perhaps my enemies one day.

Flags are mostly use for competition, and in this case, we see the gay flag competing against the American flag, because millions of people who follow the American flag do not follow the gay flag, then there is a separation, and if no agreement is between the followers of each group, then they might become enemies.

The States and cities have their own flags, and the people follow them both. Universities and private corporations have their own flags, and people recognize them as different institutions because their flags.

The same as well, gays are a different kind of culture, they have identify themselves as a separate group in society, as Confederates did in the past.

Their flag is not showing a certain institution but a worldwide different kind of culture.

They want to be a separate people from the rest of society.

They, by their own will, want to discriminate others who won't follow their flag.

Think about creating the religious flag. Think about creating the criminal flag, think about creating the rich flag, the poor flag, and so forth, dividing society with flags.

I think that the gay flag must be also eradicated in order to avoid more separation in the US society.

 

All flags should be eradicated.

 

I wonder how many millions (billion's?) of people have died for a flag ? Maybe all flags should be banned. Countries should replace them with digital bar codes.

 

no, the confederate flag means repression and traitor

 

You misinterpret its entire meaning.. All those colors represent the sexual diversity of world. All the colors in that rainbow, in equal splendor and glory, represent gays, bisexuals, transgenders and straights too. You are included in our flag. Heterosexuality is one of those brilliant colors in the rainbow and we celebrate the beauty of your love, of your relationships, of your sexuality along with all the rest. That flag is not about separation or division, but inclusion. It takes all those hues to make the rainbow. We don't want to do without any of them.

 

Good. Unlike the gay pride flag, the Confederate flag is a symbol of hate and racism.

 

Blacks are more worried about a historic flag than they are about Black abortion rates, Black on Black killing around the country, and class warfare that the Obama Administration and its cronies keep perpetrating.

Gays are more concerned with waving their rainbow flag than the killing of gays around the world by Islamic wackos.

 

That's your interpretation. Why can't you be sensitive to people not like you who may be offended?

 

You are right of course that it is an interpretation reflecting the diversity of sexuality, because there are more incarnations and reincarnations of that flag than colors. Stripes have been added, subtracted, to have a range of between 6 and 8 plus or minus a black band at the bottom representing the deaths of AIDS victims. Sometimes pink triangle or lambda have been added.

Gilbert Baker was its original creator in 1978 and in his mind the ( colors represented abstractions not sexual diversity. Pink was sexuality, red was life, orange- healing, yellow -sunlight, green - nature etc. but they had problems with color availability and several years pink wasn't on the flag, and violet and turquoise was merged. You get the drift. In either case it was not designed to be exclusionary of straights or divisive. its just not factually accurate.

If some dude wants to be offended and chooses to make it divisive in his imagination, he cannot be stopped. I honor his right to reinterpret it and get all pissy about it.

 

So then, you can understand the eyeroll that some Confederate flag supporters have for people who claim to be offended by it?

 

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I know of no movement by the LGBT to fly their flag at state capitols.

 

I have not posted definitively on that topic because I view it as beyond my scope. I was not raised as either a white man or a black man in the South, and what it symbolizes to them is more pertinent to this discussion than what it symbolizes to me. it has a complex historical and sociological history of over a century, and I know when I am out of my league.

I sure do not 'roll my eyes' because I do know that some groups with a history of literal terror of local blacks including lynchings and brutality showed that flag as their symbol at they did so. Gay pride colors do not have that kind of baggage. There is something sinister in parts of its history that we have to keep in mind

 

It's coming.

 

Guess it's only offensive if certain people are offended. There is no equal opportunity when it comes being offended. We call this phenomenon political correctness. Equality is the furthest thing.

If a confederate flag should be taken down so should any flag that might offend people. Correct? All or nothing. The American flag offends some Americans so it should be removed as well if banning something is simply a matter of certain peoples feelings. In this case the feeling of the minority outweighs the majority.

 

Some cartoon offends Muslims. So what.
Seems we must go forth with flying that gay flag at the capitols etc until they get the point.

 

Flags serve as a rallying point, people don't only rally to become your enemy. The rainbow flag is used to rally many people who are being excluded from American culture and those who oppose that separation. Those who don't think those people should be treated as second class citizens without the same rights and privileges other American's enjoy. To rally against the people who are trying to separate our citizens into gay and not gay. And not everyone who stands under the rainbow flag is gay.

The confederate flag has represented the Confederacy for 100 years. The Confederacy was a group of people who rallied together to turn their back on the U.S., to take U.S. territory from this nation and to go to war with the rest of us. People who did so to preserve their claimed right to put other men in chains because of the color of their skin.

You want to eradicate people's tools for coming together, because you fear they might become enemies? Don't fear tools, fear how people use them. Judge them the same way.




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Nor I. I am unaware of any state presuming to fly a "gay flag" as a symbol for all its people, whether it offends them or not.

Are there any states doing so, or intending to do so?

It makes no sense for any divisive symbol to be officially displayed. It should be a unifying emblem.

 

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This is what makes this analogy so juvenile. The only time I see a free flying LGBT flag is a gay sponsored events. Before I am gay, I'm a mother first, then an American. I fly the U.S. flag only.

 

So we continue with the mock outrage?

Well here's a clue the confederate flag was a symbol of secession, slavery, and treason.

The pride flag is a symbol of unity and and harmony. A symbol of the uniqueness of many different groups coming together as one.

These two flags couldn't be any more different.

But like I said that doesn't matter to many people because ignorance is bliss and this is just manufactured "outrage" because of the recent supreme court case.

 

Christians and white males have no right not to be offended. They (we) are the new whipping boys.

 

Well that's exactly my point. Not whether you are personally offended or not, but whether you can empathize with those who are.

It seems the answer to that is no.

 

I disagree. They have a right not to be offended. I don't see why anyone would deny them that.




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I was being facetious......... Christians and white males are supposed to be the n(*)g(*)(*)rs s of society.

 

Flags are all about symbolism, but what they symbolize is up to the observer.

This is just as true of the confederate flag.

Getting rid of this or that flag is something of a distraction. It won't actually fix any of the associated problems. It's a preference for symbolism over substance.

The fact that the confederate flag is seen as divisive, doesn't mean that getting rid of it will heal our divisions.

The notion that the rainbow flag is like the confederate flag and should therefore be banned is patently ridiculous. Each has it's own history. I think we can fairly say that the confederate flag has a much longer, and more checkered history. Especially the battle flag version, used in a war of rebellion that led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. Not to mention it being co-opted by hate groups, or its use in the battle to preserve segregation.

For many southerners I've heard from elsewhere, it apparently is regarded as important to their heritage.

I am loathe to deprive anyone of something that holds deep meaning to them. Moreover, we are not going to erase the ills of our shared history by banning the use of a flag. I don't think it's fair to brand everyone who cherishes the symbol of the confederate flag as racist. Nor is it fair to brand all who cherish the rainbow flag as anti-Christian, an association some have tried to make.

So I will not be jumping on the bandwagon to get rid of the confederate flag. I think if you want it not to be seen, then you have to convince those who wish it to remain why it should not.

 

I think you misunderstand that word.




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