Iran deal- what each side won and lost

You might just go all to pieces if this works... 24 hour notice for inspections is an excellent deal.

 

Thank you proving my point.

Also what part of getting Iran to permanently end all efforts to achieve a nuclear weapon is bad?

 

well the part that what you said is NOT TRUE......

I gotta ask.. where are you getting your info?...and we just caught them cheating last month...

you ever hear of North Korea and Clinton..

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[video=youtube;UMUlWbO1rhk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMUlWbO1rhk[/video]


so thats not barrys mom?.. it is.. ...does that "freak you out"

 

what part of its NOT 24 hours but 24 days is confusing?

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sound familiar?

[video=youtube;6TcbU5jAavw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TcbU5jAavw[/video]

 

The actual JCPOA, have you read it. There are several places where it states Iran will never seek different components nuclear weapons and in the preamble/general provisions section iii it clearly states that Iran has agreed to NEVER seek nuclear weapons.

As for your comparison to North Korea that is a complete fail. First and foremost the nuclear weapons in North Korea were developed under W Bush not Clinton. IAEA were the ones that first blew the whistle on North Korea developing weapons and were ordered out of the country 4 years BEFORE they developed and tested their first nuke. If we had a comprehensive agreement then like we do with Iran North Korea would not have developed nukes. That was the fault of G W Bush as his negotiators were unsuccessful in being able to arrive at comprehensive agreement.

 

Again proving my point. You cannot attack the deal so attack the President personally. You cannot effectively attack the President personally so attack his mom. Keepin it classy I see.

 

Obama is a loser.. an unqualified community organizer.. who was not vetted and was created... a myth..

its fun to find out why hes such a loser.. his family was vile.. poor widdle Barry..

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his mom as you can see "kept it classy"... dont ya think?.. apple dont fall far from the tree...

well at least Obama took the lid off " anybody, no matter how unqualified can be president"..

tell ya what.. tell me what is "better under Obama"... and its good to know Obama think ISIS is the "JV team just wearing Kobie Bryants jersey"

 

The 24 day request is a lie. Please read the agreement. The IAEA does NOT need to give 24 days notification of inspecting sites. Whoever is saying that is lying to you.

The 24 days comes in when IAEA has reason to believe that there is nuclear activity going on at an undeclared site. The IAEA then requests access to inspect the site. At which time the Iranians are required to either give the IAEA access or provide them alternative means in determining no nuclear activity is going on. If a majority 5 of 8 of the members of the Joint Commission agree that the inspection was unsatisfactory within 14 days of the request by the IAEA then the Joint Commission has up to 7 days to provide to Iran detailed list of what is needed to resolve the situation. Upon receipt of the demands from the Joint Commission Iran has 3 days to respond or be found to in violation of the agreement.

Again whoever is telling you this 24 day crapola is lying through their teeth.

 

Is that supposed to funny and vile? It is just vile and you are just reinforcing everything I said. Irrational, emotional hatred with a little bit of racism and no facts to back you up.

 

face it.. its true.. Obama is a myth..... pretty unsettling.. I agree..

fun to hide behind bogus "racism" crutches.....

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sadly... your post is wrong

 

Iran not only has a ton of oil that the planet doesn't need a lot more of but also Iran is loaded with Natural Gas which is being praised as a
"Green Energy" source however that is not true.......nonetheless clean energy is not the drug of choice by the few. Only the many many want
cleaner energy and lower cost.

 

In a best-case scenario--which is to say, if Iran actually lives up to the terms of the deal--it will merely delay, for a few years, their acquiring nuclear weapons.

And if they cheat (which, I believe, is very likely), it will be even worse.

Meanwhile, we will be giving Iran about $150 billion dollars per year in sanctions relief...

 

Just as Neville Chamberlain secured "peace for our time" in 1938...

 

Why Iran is quite right to be extremely wary of instant inspections..

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/...ow-notice-inspections-legit-u-s-history-iraq/

In other news it's genuinely funny to see the zionist hive-minds in overdrive, making any criticism of them unnecessary.

 

How does a deal mandating inspections equal saying "I trust you?" It says the opposite. Your posts make no sense.

 

I suppose sending in more Predator drones is one way of reaching out...

I don't think many people are. People who don't demand the total elimination of all "nuclear capability" of Iran likely buy into the idea that Iran wants nuclear power. It is difficult to keep the entire supply chain of making weapons-grade material secret. Public intelligence reports have suggested it cannot be done (http://www.dni.gov/files/documents/Intelligence Reports/2013 ATA SFR for SSCI 12 Mar 2013.pdf). My understanding is it is related to the electricity required to purify to weapons-grade levels, but I don't recall where I heard that. Ironically, more centrifuges are required to provide power than to make bombs, and Iran has not purified uranium to weapons-grade levels. http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...ality-irans-centrifuges-enough-bomb-not-powe/

You're only assuming this will allow Iran to get the bomb. I think the only surer alternative to prevent them from getting the bomb would be to destroy them now. Is that what you're advocating? Messing up their economy further would not prevent them from making 10-kg of weapons-grade uranium. I suppose it may further motivate them to actually use it if they ever had it, though. If you really want to assume they are suicidal enough to use a nuke against Israel or America without being struck first, there's no way that a little economic hardship would get in their way. That would be like fining somebody who intends to commit mass murderer for trying to purchase a gun. It won't stop them if they are not rational actors. If they are not rational actors and you really think they will commit genocide, then it would be imperative to destroy them. I just don't think that's the case.

 

Giving them a month to prepare for inspection is the mother of trust.

 

The whole basis of your argument is completely misplaced. Judging by history of both countries Iran poses no threat whatsoever to the world. Iranians should be vigilant and the rest of the world should worry about future actions of U.S foreign policy makers. Since the end of WWII US of A has repeatedly ignored International Law, following its own unwritten rules. What’s more U.S elites regularly defecate on the U.S constitution; break their own U.S terror laws with impunity etc…etc… How can anyone trust U.S politicians who continually show disregard for the rule of law and blatantly disrespect their own Constitution, the highest Law of the land?
Leave Neville Chamberlain alone. You picked the wrong character. This deal is more like The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact (minus the additional secret protocols). The USA is playing a role of Germany.

USAvsIRAN

IRAN
1. Has never had nuclear weapons.
2. Is not violating the nonproliferation treaty.
3. Spends 24 billion USD total, 303 USD per capita on military.
4. Has zero foreign bases and started zero wars in centuries.
5. Has never overthrown U.S government.

USA
1. Has 7,200 nukes.
2. Repeatedly violates NPT by not disarming, by building more, and by sharing with other countries.
3. Spends 648 billion total (in reality more than 1 trillion), 2,057 USD per capita on military.
4. Has 800+ foreign bases in 70+ countries and has invaded 70+ countries in the past 70 years.
5. Overthrew Iranian democracy in 1953 to install dictator.

 

So why does your country prefer to side with the US and not Russia -Iran - Syria....and the rest of the "good guys" ? didn't you tell them ?

 

If that's true then why does Iran have to have stipulations about when and where inspectors can go? If theyre just producing electricity.

 

The article has a point, if they don't plan developing Nukes they still would like to hide some "legit" secrets and if they do plan to develop them - they still want to hide it,

So its goes back to TRUST.....

 

That was a silly deflection Gilos. You know better than that.

Have you ever given a thought that actually the British elite manipulate Americans into doing the dirty work for them? The power elite still believe we are an empire. The rich are just looking out to preserve their wealth and positions. American military muscle is needed. Black and Hispanic soldiers are expendable.

Where are the benefits of all those wars we got involved in since the fall of the Berlin Wall? I don’t see any. The UK has become a poorer place, the bankers rule unchallenged, decaying infrastructure, immigration out of control, penniless students forced into taking rip-off loans just to make ends meet, the majority of people are heavily in debt, austerity measures, zero hours etc…etc…I’m actually surprised people are not rebelling against the system, fighting for their rights and better life.
I’m sick and tired of the western media scare mongering and distractions from real economic problems people in the western world face. Scaring people with Iranian or Russian threat is absolute nonsense; it’s all a propaganda ploy in order to divert people’s attention from real problems we are facing at home. By the way, I don’t care how Iranians, Russians or Martians live – it’s their business. I’m all for doing business with them instead of waging unnecessary and costly wars that benefit no one but the power elite.

If we are really to be worried about anyone, it’s Sunni radical Muslims within our communities who have already committed crimes and terror attacks against our people and soldiers both in France and the UK. Not Iranians, not Russians, not secular Syrians under Assad control – Sunni radical Muslims committed all those heinous crimes on both U.S and European soil.

 

My country has a real feud with Iran and so does the "Big Satan", other counties may not so I think my question was in place, I don't know much about your country politics but as a democracy I think they are to "blame" for their elected just as Israelis are for theirs, or in more decent words, the policies are according to the majority preference - most of the time.

 

When he puts on his DINO suit, yep!

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Since all I've seen here is a bunch of echoed supposition and conjecture from the GOP and right wing media, here's how the President put all this guff to rest yesterday:


Full text: Obama’s news conference on the Iran nuclear deal

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/07/15/transcript-obamas-news-conference-on-the-iran-nuclear-deal/