Joe The Plumber Joins A Union (UAW)

Except in the real world, instead of these fantasy right wing worlds, most small businesses fail. Then if you want to eat, you settle for whatever job you can find, for the hunger pains get control.

 

There. Fixed it for ya!

The question you should be asking is.....why should someone be forced to join a union just to work at a job?????

 

So then, if no one needs to join a union that is representing the workers in an industry, to escape paying union dues, they should get a free lunch, that is, the benefits and pay that the union worked for years on behalf of their members to achieve? That is just a man being a parasite, if he works in a union sector, enjoying what the union worked hard to get, but then doesn't want to pay in order to join the union. These right to work state laws is the way red states are trying to bust unions. And unions have been busted ever since Reagan brought neoliberalism back, and you can see the direct results of that an other neoliberal tools to take away prosperity from working people, so the owners, the elites, the corporations can max out their own income and profits.

Unions were essential in creating the largest middle class in history. When those go away, do not trust in capitalism to create much of a middle class, for without unions capitalism, which is run by human beings, who are greedy, will not create a large middle class like unions helped to achieve.

If you just look at the income creating equation, it consists of, in its simplest form, an owner, and workers. The workers, by their labor are creating the income pie for themselves and the owner. So historically before unions arose, the workers got very little of this pie, and the owners lived a high life, because of the work done by workers. Yet the workers got very little of that pie, and most were just working poor. But that income pie created by work, of the workers was not shared very well at all. The suffering of those workers, and the fact that workers are needed in order for the owner to live in luxury, created this idea of collective bargaining. So workers standing together could get a better wage, perhaps even enough to actually live on. If not for the workers getting shafted there would have never been a reason to form a union.

There are few business owners who ever became wealthy by doing all of the work themselves. Many times the wealth of the owner was created by workers that he could exploit by paying them so little. This is human exploitation, which should be illegal in any society. And only unions pulled up wages for working people, for never trust in the better side of human nature when it comes to an owner. He probably does not have one. LOL

 

I'm inching your way. I disagree with a lot of the particulars, but I recognize the need to preserve wages, at least during times like these, when the immigrant labor brings wages down as it does. As to why let someone have the same pay, how about individual qualifications and personal achievement. That person's skill sets may be worth it to the employer. I can't argue details. I'm not informed enough.

 

Yup, Mr Wurzelbacher is hauling in $15.78 an hour in the crown jewel of Ohio, Toledo!

I've been to Toledo, sir, and that's no city.


edit - as I recall, Mr Wurelbacher wasn't even a plumber when he put his foot in mouth....some kind of part-time plumbers' gopher as I recall.

 

Exactly right...

 

15.78? Damn that union sucks. The left had better stop bragging about how good unions are with those measly wages. Ya think any of those union bosses are making paltry wages like that? Hell no bub.
So much for the equality of collectivism.

 

The dude is a freakin plumber, why did he have to join a union?

 

Yep. Back in the late 1970s I had to join a union in order to work for Cameron Iron Works. Yes, Texas was and is a right to work state but big, strong, powerful, and influential unions have ways to get around that and as a young man it was made quite plain to me that if I wanted to work there and remain healthy around all that 'dangerous' machinery then I WOULD be giving the union a certain percentage of my wages every month. About two years after I started I discovered a need to confer with a top union officer only to discover that everyone of sufficient rank and influence to be of any use to me were (every last one of the mongrels) were vacationing in Hawaii. I did all the forking work and my union officials were taking my monthly payment and those of my fellow workers and were treating themselves to several weeks at our expense in Hawaii. Thus endetth the lesson in regards to . . . unions.

 

Oh indeedy I know. I've made those calls myself. Even the receptionist was gone.
What always gets me is when on of the big bosses with an Italian name shows up on a muddy construction site in shiny black dress shoes,long leather duster coat, gold chains festooned around their neck driving a caddy with a fat cigar in his mouth.
Helps to put things in perspective.

And yes of course I know he makes on paper more than me. But I make enough more than Joe the Plumber that it stings less. Off paper? God only knows but the missing funds in the accounts have to go somewhere.

 

I have no idea what you're on about, but, Willard's fib aside, yes, Samuel "Joe the Plumber" Wurzelbacher now owes his job to the government bailout that saved Chrysler/Jeep after the economic collapse of late 2007.

 

In my case there was some satisfaction as I went elsewhere for employment at a non union plant and a raise in base pay and then a year or so later the main Cameron Iron complex in my state shut down. One presumes that at least a few of the lower level of those 'on the gravy train' union bosses actually had to relearn how to sweat for a living after that. Well . . . a fellow can dream anyway . . .

 

Far be it from me to destroy another mans dream but I'm sure they found another racket to exploit. Sorry.

 

Sigh . . . I know. Union officials are like cockroaches and like the average leftist professional race hustler. Impossible to defeat since they life off the hard work of others.

 

Huh...what? I've always heard conservative weeping about unions raising wages too high, thus cutting profits for the shareholders, no?

Are you by chance trying to have it both ways???

 

Not in this case IMO. These aren't burger flippers. This is supposed to be a job you earn a living at. Of course standard of living in that area is probably much cheaper than the democrat utopia I live in. Automation hasn't helped either but I'm sure it's more involved than dipping string potatoes in hot grease.

 

Most likely that's the starting wage. Unions are happy to (*)(*)(*)(*) the newbies in negotiating since people who don't work there yet don't have a seat at the bargaining table.

 

You just completely dodged my post, and went off into the either somewhere.

I knew you couldn't field that one, which is why I posted it.

Max fail - diversion

 

You could easily be correct. Sort of like we have apprentices that are in the process of learning the trade. If that's the case I withdraw my objection and outrage

 

I could have sworn I addressed your post............oh yeah post #45
Was there something else I can help you understand ma'am?

 

And Joe the fake plumber can start his and not be Union

 

I don't know. I have a friend who works at one of the union auto plants around here. His job is to install 17 bolts.

 

17 bolts a couple thousand times a day. Assembly line work is not as easy as it often sounds. I spent a few months at TEsla. Had to load 2 boxes of battery cells onto the conveyor belt...a thousand times a day for 12 hours a day.

 

Yeah but they're the real tricky ones right