Kerry says Congress veto of Iran deal would be 'ultimate screwing of ayatollah'

Tell me, whom you are trying to protect, and I will tell you, who you are.

 

at this point I say let them ban the deal and be responsible for anything that comes after, if Israel doesn't want our help, then why bother

 

In 1938 Czechoslovakia did not want the Franco-British "help" through the Munich Agreement as well.

 

I'm also tired of this circus, don't care what happens eventually but I never for a second thought the US did it FOR Israel, this whole "we only think of you when we go to bed at night" is joke, political games.

 

It is not "circus".
While cultist-in-command Obams has already sidelined the Congress to impose the genocidal "deal" through a UN resolution, a two-third-majority would be nevertheless a defeat of the senile hag Clinton, who is hysterically backing this "Munich reloaded"

 

republicans for the most part support the deal, as there is no better alternative

 

Really ?
What about regime change in Iran ?
Or at least bombing its nuclear facilities - and thus crippling and destabilizing its evil regime ?
Or at the very least not signing a "deal" providing a genocidal theocracy screaming on any occasion "Death to America !" with nuclear arms-and nuclear missiles ?

 

It's all just symbolic on the part of the Legislative Branch because it's already a done deal and by the time that the LB could 'stop it' the mechanisms for giving Iran EVERYTHING it demanded of Obama and Kerry would already be done and probably could not be halted again -- or at least could not be halted in a meaningful way since the other nations that are signatories would not cooperate with putting the lid back on Iran.

So this posturing by the Legislative Branch is all sound and fury signifying . . . nothing. Effectively after Bush and now Obama the Legislative Branch essentially exists so that the president CAN point a trembling finger of blame somewhere AFTER he has screwed up big time. Sigh . . . and so it goes.

 

Yeah, regime change and bombing will really stop the "death to america chants".

 

Not only "the chants", but the nuclear bombs and the nuclear missiles.
They can already hit "Europe and beyond" !

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/New-Iranian-missile-could-extend-Irans-strike-capability-to-Europe-and-beyond-393377

Soon (very soon) "Death to America !" could be a grim reality !

 

Our deal isnt a help to Israel. It is viewed as detrimental.

 

It is a done deal. Obama by going to the UN and having the sanctions lifted bypassed Congress completely. Meaning whatever congress does from that point on is meaningless and is just a game of rhetoric and name calling. The Constitution states the senate must approve all treaties. By not calling this agreement a treaty, one should have known Obama at least in this case has made congress and the constitution meaningless. Of course he, the president has already done that numerous other times through EO's and failure to enforce the laws he and his administration don't like.

As for the agreement itself, only time will tell if it is good or bad. But it is a bad start to take congress's constitutional authority away from it. Has from this point on, whoever is president now become a king and congress just a relic of yore.

 

Israel said Iran could have a nuke in a couple months pre-deal, 10 to 15 years after deal..... doesn't sound detrimental to Israel to me

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This deal shows Iran power to the world. If the US politicians want to get rid of the ME issues, they should learn how to find dealing ways with Iran. Here in the ME Iran is jack of all trades! Neither Israel fake regime nor Arab puppet regimes can do anything for them!

 

Let's just admit the truth, eventually someone is going to have a nuclear war.

I always had my bet on Pakistan but I guess we'll see

 

Unfortunately true. Ironically the Legislative Branch could take back its authority any time it wishes IF professional life time and corrupt to the bone politicians were consistently willing to risk everything fighting the Executive Branch (regardless of which Party's president holds it) to a standstill no matter what. But of course not enough from either party are ever willing to do that, and so they have pretty much politically neutered themselves.

 

yet another attempt at partisan spin. Seems the sentiment that Kerry was addressing wasn't even remotely what the OP and the JPost were trying to construct.

He's right of course. But then again, the war mongers could care less if their targets think the US to be an untrustworthy actor on the international stage. Not that others might infer the exact same thing from such a track record.

I don't think "hey, we are only untrustworthy with those we think are enemies" is going to cut it on the world stage.


this is yet another example of the abuse of contextual meaning by partisan hacks.

 

And you used to be so sweet during the sanctions......

 

That depends on what type of and how many bombs are used...

 

we did it once, so I do not doubt another will too at some point, the difference is if someone does now, the rest of the world will turn on them, nuke then off the planet, it's suicide

the worlds reaction to that country will be critical to preventing future attacks

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The thing about congress is that the party who holds the white house, their congressional members become part of the administration instead of congress. They are more than willing to cede all congressional power to the presidency because the president is of the same party they are. Pride in the institution of congress, pride in it being a co-equal branch and providing checks and balances on the administration is thrown into the trash. That is until the other party wins the white house and then congressional parties switch roles.

Congress now has become irrelevant in most things.

 

I suspect you made that up about what "Israel" said, and Iran could have a nuke in months pre deal only if they disregarded their current agreements and it would take them 15 years post deal, only if they abide by their new agreements.

 

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/...y-netanyahu-crying-wolf-iranian-nuclear-bomb/

"In 2012 Netanyahu said in closed talks reported by Israeli media that Iran is just “a few months away” from attaining nuclear capabilities. Later that same year, he gave a widely-mocked address at the United Nations in which he alleged that Iran would have the ability to construct a weapon within roughly one year, while using a printout of a cartoon bomb to illustrate his point."

now after the deal he says 10 to 15 years.....

 

How do you know Republicans support the Iran Deal?

 

Shia believe the return of 12th Imam Mahdi will be brought about by world chaos, death, and upheaval in a world at war where two thirds of the worlds population will die. Not suicide but instead martyrdom for the glory of allah. Fulfillment of prophecy.