Kerry says Congress veto of Iran deal would be 'ultimate screwing of ayatollah'

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    guess we will see shortly after Congress votes on it

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    many Christians believe ww III will bring the end times too, both think that is a good thing
     
  2. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    What specifically should the US do to find ways of dealing with Iran?
     
  3. Albert Di Salvo

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    Present tense.

    Future tense.

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    Maybe Israel and Saudi Arabia will find they have a common enemy. What do you think?
     
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    What planet do you live on?
     
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    As the Chinese curse goes . . . we are living in interesting times.
     
  6. Regular Joe

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    Let Iran fire missiles at us. We have deterrents. Israel has exactly the same thing, because we gave it to them.
    Those who agree with Fresh Air about several countries engaging in nuclear war have no clue about fall out, both radiation and political. The sky is not falling, just yet.
     
  7. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    your right, I should of said most moderate republicans support the deal, far right republicans never will
     
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    A president who sees major foreign policy issues in such stark “you’re either with me, or you’re a war monger” terms is a dangerous, divisive leader.

    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/211966/
     
  9. H.R.A.

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    With sanction or without sanction, Iran was/is the most stable and secure country in the ME. You left the sanctions to achieve a deal with Iran, because you knew that if you had continued it, Iran would had had enough execute to go towards nuke, maybe after 2 or 3 months! we had enough enriched uranium for making several bombs! and if that happened , regret wouldn't help you!
     
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    I guess I am wondering why we should be worried about screwing a guy who what's us dead? I'd like to see an honest debate on this Iran deal. Kerry has too much skin in the game to be objective.
     
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    Yep, just as I figured, Iran already has enough enriched Uranium to make bombs. It's possible they already have a bomb anyway. This 'deal' is a desperate attempt by the Obama administration to 'make nice' with Iran in order to hopefully slow Iran's march toward deliverable nuclear warheads. I believe this will only work with a strong American military presence and show of force.

    Obama is passing off the prosecution of this agreement to the next administration. We'll see what happens. You can bet Iran does not want to see a Republican Presidency.
     
  12. H.R.A.

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    Well, If you want to have a good deal with Iran you should first clarify your benefits in the ME for yourselves! Not Zionist and Israel benefits! And then you will find that you should first kicked out Israel lobby from congress!
    yes, and they will be friend:eekeyes:. .... it is possible!:eekeyes: or maybe it have happened!!:eekeyes::eekeyes: I imagine BB and Saudi Arabia king are dancing tango in a victory celebrity for a war against Iran!
     
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    Eh no, how can dare the Congress to break the new toy of this administration?

    Someone should remind Kerry about democratic institutions and their roles in a Republic ...

    This said, it's evident that it's all a political [internal] game, the White House is playing a risky hand. For Washington it's an all in while Teheran has got still something to play ... The political opponents of Obama know this and as politicians I can understand the temptation to make a "joke" to him and to the Dems.

    Consequences of this jokes?

    Actually things would go on like now, with the only consequence that at Teheran they could feel free to do under the sunlight what they probably are planning to do in the shadow: to produce nuclear weapons [deal or not deal, this is my greatest suspicious].

    Will rockets fall on Tel Aviv? [As someone is saying].

    A part that rockets have been falling on Israel in the last years and years. Israel doesn't need to wait for Teheran to see rockets falling on its territory.

    I would reverse the question:

    if the deal resist, will Hamas and Hezbollah and other stop to fire rockets against Israel?
     
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    It's all about their enormous egos. When they care more about the ayatollah's feelings than those of Americans, something is terribly terribly WRONG. They don't care about the repercussions of this. It's all about the here and now and legacy. What they don't get is that while they think their legacy building is growing, they will be remembered for all their BAD policies. Presidents will be blaming Obama for years and years to come.
     
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    That last bit you didnt support with any evidence, was what I was disputing
     
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    No, many Christians believe such chaos will precede the end times. The twelvers believe they can hasten the return of the Mahadi by bringing about such chaos.
     
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    many Christians do the same

    think that is why so many republicans are pro-war and Bush even tried to call the Iraq war WWIII

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    The distortion of the truth by the Israeli press for the purpose of propaganda is unprecedented and this exemplifies it.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...ohn-kerry-interview-iran-nuclear-deal/400457/

    In point of fact a rejection by Congress is screwing America and not the Ayatollah because, as Kerry points out, it proves that the United States is not trustworthy when it comes to negotiating in good faith.

    It should also be noted that Israel should be very greatful that the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is in charge in Iran because it's been his unwavering opposition to nuclear weapons that has prevented the Iranian military from ever producing a nuclear weapon. If Israel has an ally in Iran it's the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei because if someone else was in power Israel very well could be facing an Iran with nuclear weapons today.
     
  19. Albert Di Salvo

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    Are you suggesting that American Jews be kicked out of Congress?

    Israel is a lesser threat to Saudi Arabia than is Iran. Either the Saudis ally themselves with Israel to maintain a balance of power against Iran, or the Saudis become vassals of Iranians and accept Shiite domination of the Two Holy Cities.

    Saudi Arabia will develop nuclear weapons in response to the Iranian nuclear weapons program. It's the logical thing to do from a geopolitical standpoint.
     
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    Nonsense. And certainly nothing in the Christian doctrine of the Bible would support such views
     
  21. Albert Di Salvo

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    Yeah, right.
     
  22. truth and justice

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    H.R.A stated " Israel lobby from congress" should be kicked out. So if you want to switch the words "Israel" to "Jewish" then should the answer not be yes, the Jewish lobby should be kicked out as per the first amendment? The key word is lobby. H.R.A did not mention Jews.
     
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    telling Christians the end times will be great (for Christians) supports such views for many Christians

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    Nope, it is a demonstration that the Obama administration isn't trustworthy. Negotiating matters with Iran, for which Obama has no authority to do so. Making promises to Iran that Obama cant keep.
     
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    Don't follow your logic. Whether the end times is good or bad for Christians is irrelevant to whether Christians, here on earth can bring about the end times.
    And this is all irrelevant because anyone who believed such a thing would never be elected to be the President of the country. In Iran they cant be in government unless they follow the Shia Twelver ideology.
     

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