Let's get a few facts straight.

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  1. DominorVobis

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    I thought you were military or paramilitary
    I was in the army for 10 years, your routine etc sounded military. But it is good advice, especially the "low fat" and fruit
    People who think like some here think fruit sugar, fructose is better for us, while the opposite is true
     
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    I've started making sure I don't overcook my roasts. This one the other day had red juice coming out of it. It was perfect too. So I think you are right.
     
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    Im hearing sugar contributes significantly to hypertension. Any thoughts on this? My own little experiments suggest so.
     
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    I will tell you what....I hunt and I LOVE VENISON and it is one of the leanest meats one can eat but not tough if you get a Butcher to use a Ban Saw and cut you steaks and Chops and if you know what to Grill and what to Stew.

    When I eat a very thick...actually sometimes I eat 2 or 3 very thick Venison Steaks at a time....rare...and I have a Mesclun Green's salad from my Garden and I use Olive Oil and Good Balsamic Vinegar and eat My Garden Grown Broccoli Rabe that I cut up and throw into a hot pan with olive oil and crushed and chopped fresh garlic but don't overcook the Garlic as it will get bitter....and I am a Master Diver so I have my Lobster License and I go out with buddies of mine and we do two dives either off Cape Cod or Cape Ann....and I will bring home just myself about 4 to 7 Lobster where 4 or about 1 1/2 to 2 lbs....2 are 3 to 4 lbs and I always get at least 1 that is anywhere from 4 to 17 lbs but usually 4 to 7 lbs....but I did catch a 17 lbs lobster and I could not get the SOB in my net and it's tail was thrashing and moving me as I was in about 50 feet of water as it was summer and the Lobster's like it cool....and I had one HELL of a time getting it back to the boat!!!

    Anyways....Lobster, a few Large Venison Steaks, Salad, Broccoli Rabe, plenty of BUTTER...wedge of Lemon...and I always grab some Mussels off the rocks of my buddies Cape home....and I spear fish so I get Flounder and I fish for Ocean going Striped Bass....so I bring the Venison Steaks and Vegetables from my Garden....my buddies wife and kid's go absolutely NUT's when I and my buddies get Lobsters and the first day I get there we fish for Bait Fish and then will go Stripper Fishing and we usually get a few.

    We cut the head and tail off and clean one out and wrap the entire grill with FOIL. Then we take the whole Stripped Bass and coat it in a combination of Mayo, Dijon Mustard, Green Pepper Corns, Salt, Capers, Thyme, Lemon Zest....and then fill the cavity of the fish with 1/3 inch x 1/3 inch by 4 inch long lengths of Carrot, Celery, Bok Choy, Sweet potato, as well as slices or red, green, orange and yellow large sweet peppers from my garden and along with parsley, basil, thyme and dill...also from my garden....we stitch the fish up...and the only reason we cut off the head is because even though my buddy had a large custom built into brick grill....a BIG STRIPPER may not fit unless we cut off the head.

    This grill has a bottom PAN that slides in to allow INDIRECT HEAT COOKING and we get the grill HOT....VERY HOT and we do this more for the KID'S as I prefer my Bass pan fried crispy and not over cooked....but for the kids and party goer's.....STRIPPED BASS BONES DISINTEGRATE AT HIGH TEMPS!!!

    Thus we cook it until the bone's dissolve and since it is stitched up and wrapped completely in foil it is moist and not dry and we pull out the stitching and my buddies wife uses a spatula and serves the Bass buy cutting squares out of it.

    The kid's LOVE IT!!

    You have to understand a few of these guy's are like me so one has to keep their fingers away from open mouths while such a FOOD FEEDING FRENZY is going on least they lose a FINGER!!! LOL!!!

    While doing 2 dives I figure I burn from the point I start to move gear to the point I start to pack up gear which is about 8 hours....I figure I burn about 3000 calories and then another 10,000 calories are burned as my body heals over a few days and I never stop running and I lift every other day but if I dive I replace one mile of swimming per day of diving.

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    Yes...it does.

    Any type of Cane or Beet Sugar or Candy...not Chocolate as Chocolate is fine....but the SUGAR....man it is BAD FOR YOUR BODY in so many ways.

    Hypertension is High Blood Pressure and one of the way's a person get's High Blood Pressure is CHOLESTEROL BUILDUP!!

    And what causes a persons body to produce the Artery Clogging Bad Cholesterol or LDL?

    Simple Sugars...like Candy or Cane and Beet Sugar....High Fructose Corn Syrup or even if a person eat's too much FRUIT a day or drinks too much FRUIT JUICE as it is a FACT....that a person who drinks 3 or 4 12 oz Glasses of Orange Juice a day...even if the O.J. is pure or fresh squeezed with no additives or sweeteners....the Fructose will cause a person's body to create Cholesterol!!!

    Even eating too many Apples or Pears is not good for you as at the MOST....2 fruits a day as one has to understand a TOMATO is A FRUIT and is LOADED WITH FRUCTOSE!!!

    But the WORSE BY FAR thing that causes a person's body to produce bad cholesterol as the Cholesterol in FOODS DOES NOT BECOME CHOLESTEROL IN A PERSONS ARTERIES.....the worse is anything made with Machine Milled to Micro-Particulate sized Powdered FLOUR!!! Or CORN STARCH!!!

    Any kind of bread that is not whole grain or pasta that is not whole grain or POTATO CHIPS....is DEATH!!!

    The problem is that Machine Milled and Processed SUPER FINE POWDERED FLOUR....cannot be handled by the Human Body. It's just get's turned DIRECTLY TO CHOLESTEROL and gunks up a person's arteries!!!

    Just 30 years ago there was that EAT COMPLEX CARB'S FAD....which screwed up anyone who listened to that B.S.!!!

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    Dogs and cats are 100% carnivores. The American Society of Mammalogists in 1995 declared that all species of dogs were direct descendents of wolves, and wolves are scientifically considered 100% carnivores. There persists a unsubstantiated arguments from a few veterinarians that dogs are omnivores, because they eat grass, and seen to eat the entrails of prey animals. Dogs will only eat grass due to digestive problems, and they don’t eat entrails of prey animals. The dogs are forced to remove the entrails of prey animals first before they can get to the “prime” parts of the prey: the liver; heart and kidneys. Removing the entrails with their teeth and mouth, does not represent them eating the contents of the entrails, which contains carbohydrates and sugar nutrients from plant material. In wildlife documentaries, you will occasionally you will see wild dogs in Africa eating the entrails of their prey, but you will also notice in those documentaries that the dogs will shake out all the contents of the entrails first before eating it. Wolves have never been documented or filmed in the wild mimicking the same behaviour as the wild dogs in Africa in regards to eating prey entrails.

    From a biological perspective; dogs do not possess the salivary amylase gland to breakdown carbohydrates and sugar. Dogs also have a very short digestive tract that is incapable of allowing enough time for complex plant based carbohydrates and sugar to be broken down and digested. Dogs also have specifically designed teeth to rip and tear flesh like a carnivore, and have no teeth that grind food like an omnivore.

    Dogs & cats can convert enough glucose from the protein they ingest to regulate their on blood sugar levels, and don’t require carbohydrates and added sugar for this process.

    If dogs & cats can sustain all their energy from raw meat, then it really begs some major questions:

    1) Why are pet owners feeding their dogs & cats tin and dry food full of carbohydrates and sugar that they don’t need?

    2) Why are veterinarians facilitating the sale of this “rubbish” food from their practices?
     
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    Dogs and Cats should be feed primarily animal proteins but it is believed that the ongoing Common Evolution that has been occurring between Humans and Dogs and Cats is slowly and to very tiny extents changing the diets of Dogs and Cats to somewhat mirror what people it.

    Thus over the thousands upon thousands of years that Dogs and Cats have lived with Humans....as they are no longer wild animals and are domesticated....and since they primarily depend on Humans providing their source of food....they have evolved to be capable of eating other things besides animal protein.

    It is entirely plausible if the Human race does not go extinct....that the diets of dogs and cats will greatly mirror our own in the distant future.

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    Well, what you mean is 'carbohydrates are good for us'. Sugar, basically processed sugar, is an intense form of carbohydrate stripped of other minerals that also are needed and like you said, too much means too much. Our ability to process concentrated carbohydrates is both unnatural and detrimental to certain physiology prone to reaction to intense carb loading. Some of the affects of this are IBS and Crohns which appear to be more prevalent when man started processing carbohydrates and ingesting them. Grain is a good example and has only been in the human diet for a relatively short period of time but now almost dominates most diets.
     
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    I'm not disputing cat and dogs are feed carbohydrates and sugar by their human owners, but from a biological perspective, its poison to their system, because their bodies are not designed to process nutrients from plant based food just yet. They don't require carbs and sugar for energy.
     
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    Hypertension, Heart Disease, High Cholesterol, Obesity, Disease, Tooth Decay, Low Immune System, Mental Health Issues...etc..etc...etc...DO NOT TEND TO EXIST....when a person eats a High Protein, Regulated Complex Carb. Intake, Regulated Fructose Intake and Medium Animal Fat Intake Diet.

    Dairy is also very good for you so do not listen to the IDIOTS telling you not to drink Whole Milk or to substitute Margarine for BUTTER!!!

    Margarine intake will KILL YOU...LITERALLY!!

    Butter will not.

    Now this does not mean it's OK to just eat Cheese and Butter all day!! LOL!!!

    But an extremely healthy diet for an average person would be something like this.

    Morning.

    2 or 3 eggs anyway you like them but if fried use Butter....side of Ham or Bacon....NO HASH BROWNS!! NO TOAST!! Small bowl of Oatmeal...no sugar...no Maple syrup....8 oz glass of O.J.....1 piece of fruit....and a Yogurt.

    Lunch.

    Caesar Salad made with home made dressing of Olive Oil, Parm Cheese, Dijon Mustard, Anchovie Paste, Garlic Clove, 1 raw egg and small squeeze of fresh Lemon Juice in Blender....Romaine Lettuce, Black Olives, Real Bacon Bits, NO CROUTONS!!!! and topped with slices whole grilled CHICKEN BREAST. plus a Beer or Grass of Wine or Mixed Drink that either used Vodka, Gin, Rum....and mixed with water, tonic or soda water....NO FRUIT JUICES!!

    Supper.

    6 Large Raw Oyster's on half shell with Pepper Vodka, small amount of Ketchup and Horseradish mixed topping.
    Large Steak or Filet of Fish, Beef or Pork or Lamb...etc
    Small Mescun Green's Salad with Olive Oil and Vinegar.
    Side of Zucchini and Yellow Summer Squash and Onion fried in butter and olive oil with bit of salt, cracked black pepper, fresh basil and oregano and Parsley.
    Side of steamed Broccoli.

    Desert....Chocolate with Almonds.

    Drinks....water, wine or beer or mixed drinks...2 max.

    Popcorn as late night snack...butter topped.

    You eat this type of food and walk at least 2 miles every other day as well as try to get in some weight training even if it's 5 lbs weights....you will stay healthy as a horse!!!

    AboveAlpha

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    I don't disagree.

    I am just saying due to Common Evolution...they are beginning to become able to process Carbs.

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    With all due respect, cat and dogs have not began to process carbohydrates or added sugar to their diets. People feed their pets carbohydrates and sugar pet food, and the animal is forced to eat it or starve. Give a dogs a bowl of raw meat and bowl of can mush or cancer kibble, and see which he/she eats first.

    Carbohydrates and sugar added to the diet is the reason why the majority of cats and dogs have recognised dental/gum problems at an early age, and the reason why cancer has increased ten fold in dogs and cats worldwide in only 15 years.

    Chemicals and pollutants might play a small percentage in contributing to the massive cancer increase in dogs and cats, but if people are feeding their carnivore pets carbohydrates and sugar that their body is not designed to process as energy, then their pets immune systems are constantly under enormous stress. Having the bodies immune system under constant stress is eventually going to lead to ongoing sickness of a major illness.
     
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    Yeah, put margarine and butter out on a plate outside and see which one gets eaten by the wild creatures. It ain't the margarine. Even bugs won't eat it.

    I also do not eat mc
     
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    Your not quite getting what I am trying to state.

    It doesn't matter whether the pets we have are trying food we eat that they naturally would not or if we were force feeding them.

    Biologically and Genetically it is EVOLUTION over time as Human's and Dog's and Cat's have been together for well over 100,000 years....that over that time the dogs that have eaten carbs. and not gotten sick and died have survived and had offspring thus passing down their specific genetic traits that allow them tolerance to eat Carbs.

    If enough time goes by...it is most likely a fact that Dogs and Cats will become Omnivorous.

    It's just Evolution.

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    I eat like a HORSE...or more accurately...like a CHIMP....perhaps several chimps!!!

    I only use Butter.....I eat Animal Protein and Fat DAILY.

    I eat Bacon and Ham and big old PORK CHOPS and 36 oz. Beef Porterhouse Steaks!!!

    I drink WHOLE MILK....Yogurt, Hard Cheese...no Polymer Cheese!!!

    I eat a LOT of greens and vegetables and limit my fruit and fruit juice intake.

    While obese people are starving themselves eating LOW FAT MEALS....I am swallowing the Crispy Pork Shoulder Fat and the fat on LAMB CHOPS and especially the fat on RACK OF LAMB!!!

    I eat eggs by the dozens!!!

    My current Cholesterol Level is 170 with my HDL's...good Cholesterol over 110.

    My Blood Pressure is 120 over 58.

    My pulse is 42.

    My Triglycerides are down to 60.

    I weigh 238 this morning and am almost 6 foot 2 inches tall.

    I NEVER GET SICK!!!

    And I take a multivitamin and supplements to help avoid joint damage.

    AND I NEVER...EVER...EVER....EAT MARGARINE!!!

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    Funny, but I have to take a screening once a year if I want to reduce my insurance payment, so I went in and they measured my cholesterol. It was high but it was very high in the good cholesterol putting me at very low risk for heart attack. So I am in a room with a number of techs doing this when I stated, "It must be the eggs and bacon I eat every morning." whereas one of the techs stared laughing.

    I actually eat less when I eat eggs and bacon in the morning because it holds me over much longer than anything that is loaded with carbs like oatmeal. When I eat carbs it is like eating sugar in that it elevates the sugar level and when that crashes is when you binge. Eating fewer carbs actually levels your blood sugar level and eliminates binge eating.
     
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    Would be interested to see who conducted the genetic research to suggest dogs have a tolerance to eat carbs?

    Dogs have been domesticated for a long time, but if allowed to revert back to their natural instinct, I could not imagine a wild dog turning down a juicy chicken for a tomato plant. :roflol:

    To suggest the genetic digestive system of a specie changes within a time frame of only 100,000, is ridiculous. Did the research say anything about a dogs ability to be lactose intolerant or maybe having coeliac disease, and the recourse to these events? Saying they found a few genes, and these genes relate to starch, is drawing a very fine line.
     
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    Yeah....whenever I go off diet and have Waffles or Pancakes after eating I feel like I want to go to BED!! LOL!!

    But if I eat 6 scrambled eggs and some bacon and a yogurt I am raring to go!!

    The one thing that I stopped doing a LONG time ago was eating like a 16 inch grinder for lunch....and I never anymore drink DIET SODA as the damn stuff makes you even more hungry and tests have proved this!!

    Every now and then I get into it with one of these REAL VEGAN'S....who do their best to take in Protein by way of nuts, beans, soy...etc....but as a true Vegan will not eat anything that is in any way animal flesh or animal milk or cheese etc....they are INHERENTLY UNHEALTHY!!!

    And even that would not bother me except when they force their KIDS to be true Vegan's!!

    A child needs animal fats and proteins for proper growth and there is NOTHING that can be substituted in place of that!!!

    Still these True Vegan's try to say they know what they are doing!!

    They have no clue!!

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    You are still not getting what I am trying to tell you.

    I do NOT disagree with you!!!

    I am simply explaining that dogs and cats that have been living with Human's for over 100,000 years have over that time eaten some of the same things we have eaten and that includes Grains, Fruits, Vegetables...my Cat goes CRAZY over Black Olives!!

    Thus over that time animals that took in such food and survived bred and via natural selection and survival of the fittest as sometimes a cat or dog living with Human beings might not have had the option of eating meat if the Humans were holed up during a bad winter with little food either the cat or dog ate some crabs or that cat or dog became FOOD FOR HUMANS!!!

    But over time....the diet of Domesticated Animals changes to mirror what their Human Masters eat.

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