Trump and vaccines

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  1. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The first vaccine protects against HBV. Why is that insane?
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Using "The Donald" as an authority on Vaccines or Medical science makes about as much sense as asking HillBill what is the best way to store E-Mail.

    Seriously people...have we actually become this stupid in our country?
     
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    I took an immunology class in school, and what he says about administering the vaccines over time (say a few years for babies), instead of all at once, or in a few large doses, has merit. Letting children, especially babies, slowly build up antibodies to the disease organisms, instead of bombarding children with them might be worth a try.

    No one knows what causes autism; and the premise that vaccines cause this syndrome has not been totally disproven.

    There definitely is an increase in autism. The little girl next door to me has autism-like syndromes; and my oldest son had autism-like syndromes. My youngest son suffered from seizures during the period when he was getting his vaccinations.

    It would do no harm to spread out the vaccinations of babies over a period of a few years.
     
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    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They won't build up immunity until the vaccine is administered. In the interim they're at risk for some heavy-duty diseases.

    It has been thoroughly disproven.

    Now you're counting people who don't even have autism. Correlation does not equal causation.There have been increases in lots of diseases, none of which have been shown to be caused by vaccinations.

    Babies aren't babies over a period of a few years. Over a few years they will be out and about and encounter other people and other babies. They will be exposed to these diseases and can contract them. If they are unvaccinated they are themselves a risk to other babies.

    Again - the link of vaccines to autism has been thoroughly discredited. The only thing keeping this alive are people with no knowledge at all about vaccines who say "I know someone who knows someone who got a vaccine for their baby and now they have autism". Which is proof of exactly nothing.
     
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    It has not been thoroughly disproven. The vaccine manufacturers would like to say it has been disproven, but then cigarette companies said that there was no evidence smoking caused lung cancer.

    Babies are babies until they hit their terrible two's. Administering the vaccines over a period of two years would hurt nothing.

    To 'remind' someone who took a course in immunology that one is not protected until they get the vaccine is typical for the know-it-all liberals. The babies start to build up an immunity to the disease organisms after the first injection, and will build up more of an immunity after each subsequent vaccination. LOL liberals.
    It has not been
     
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    Random incoherent rants about liberals. That will help your case.

    As you're such a brilliant expert on immunology (having taken one whole course on the subject!) you'll have no trouble understanding an actual scientific study* on the matter. Read up.

    *An actual scientific study doesn't involve talking to your next door neighbour's boyfriend's brother-in-law's dog's babysitter whose mother heard about a person once who knew someone who's baby had a vaccination and then got autism, or the flu, they're not really sure.
     
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    Do you really believe that vaccine which protects (hmm is it?) against HBV is needed for a newborn? HBV is generally widespread in the circle of gays and addicts. I really don't get it, there is of course a tiny chance that newborn will be infected pre-natal, but even then the baby isn't in need of this vaccine. Vaccine won't help already infected newborn. What are the other ways to be infected by HBV for a newborn who isn't able even to hold his head up? Ok there is a risk group - when parents are infected, vaccinate this group. Total vaccinating of all newborns against HBV is a very stupid invention. Not to mention, every vaccine is a risk itself, and in this case unjustified risk.
     
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    Contact with the bodily fluids of someone who has HBV, same as with most other contact transmitted diseases. Food can also be a risk if the person preparing it has Hepatitis. The point is that the disease is so serious, and the vaccination so effective, cheap and safe why not get it as early as possible?
     
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    Lol. Measles, mumps, and Rubella have been eradicated in the US. Big pharm has incredible money and political influence. Manufacturers of vaccines that are part of the normal schedule make so much money on the vaccine business. What Trump days is irrelevant anyway. Parents can decline any and all vaccines they choose to.
    Measles mumps and rubella are nothing compared to small pox. Smallpox vaccine has not been regularly administered for decades. If you want to worry about something real, worry about unvaccinated populous and a small pox outbreak.
     
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    more anti science anti knowledge ranting.
     
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    There are risks when people don't vaccinate. US measles outbreak
     
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    Hmm the chance to be infected for baby is almost zero actually. Infection is transmitted through blood, it can be sharing of the razor for example, or using one toothbrush (the chance is almost zero), a needle, tattoo salon or the unprotected sex which is followed by open wounds of one of partners. As u can see - newborn or even infant or a child isn't in a risk group. As u can see, baby is one of the most protected person in this case. Thats why i m absolutely convinced total HBV vaccination for newborns is insane and dumb idea.

    Food? Come on, its not even funny, newborn needs only breast milk or its analogue.
     
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    Only to those who chose not to vaccinate.
    Anyhow, the decision is parent's to make.
     
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    Questioning medicine has improved it.
     
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    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Vaccines aren't 100% effective so what helps is herd immunity - contagions don't get a chance to spread because most people have been vaccinated. In addition some people can't be vaccinated due to allergies to the components of the vaccine. Thoughtless parents put those people at risk because their children can carry the vaccine and infect others.
     
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    Small Pox and Polio vaccines are no longer given. Both are FAR worse than Measles, Mumps, or Rubella.
    Why do you think that is?
     
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    I don't believe America is dumb enough to elect him. ... if I'm wrong, there would be a kind of justice in the result.




     
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    Smallpox has been eradicated for more than 30 years, thanks to world-wide vaccinations. If a large enough group of self-serving people had refused the vaccine the disease would still be around. Polio has been eliminated from developed countries, again thanks to vaccines.
     
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    What a TWONK!!

    Please America do not vote for this idiot
     
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    What makes you think we no longer give Polio vaccine?

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/polio/default.htm

    OH! And do some BASIC research on Measles - because there is a disorder known as post measles encephalitis that beats most of the rest hands down
     

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