Ban Guns on College Campuses

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Hoosier8, Mar 12, 2012.

  1. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now I like Nirvana---or just 2 of their songs really.

    BTW "I do gotta gun" but have no plans to kill myself or others with them.
     
  2. vman12

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    I dunno, ask the USMC.

    They gave me a select fire weapon when I was 18. At 19 I was dodging SCUD missiles.

    Hey, I never killed anyone the government didn't make me kill at that age.
     
  3. Ronstar

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    so do I.

    but that's cause I have family, friends and a good support network.

    unlike most of these mass shooters, who snap because they aren't getting the help they need.
     
  4. Capitalism

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    You can make a fully automatic firearm in under 6 minutes from house hold materials.

    So... Again, let's hear a better reason.

    The criminal underworld is not a good barrier, that's where the weapons that outclass civvy weapons are. (Full auto AK's, Tec-9's, Sawed off shotguns, etc)

    You don't have an argument.

    Tighter gun control... You mean like Mexico? What about the crime capital of Europe, the UK? Australia? Damn your solution doesn't seem to be working lol.
     
  5. Munster

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    I personally think a campus should have the right to make its own decision on this matter. I don't believe there should be a federal/executive mandate on this.

    However banning doesn't 'stop' anything. It just makes it 'harder' to do. When something is banned, one can find it elsewhere. If banning actually worked, life as we know it would be completely different. So I think 'banning' may be futile for the point of trying to deal with gun related crimes on campus but I do think college institutions should have the right to make the choice if they want to.

    Maybe I simply don't know how most college work, I would have to think that most colleges don't allow firearms on the premise to begin with.
     
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    Yeah because posting a "no guns" sign is going to make someone looking to murder/suicide pause and think about it.
     
  7. Texan

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    I do also if the college is privately funded. If it's a public college, then the "campus" has no say in the matter.
     
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    Alucard New Member Past Donor

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    I don't think guns have any purpose on any college campus.
     
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    Why? Is it just a liberal feeling you get or do you have a specific reason?
     
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    And yet the first thing you do when there's a problem is call guys with guns.
     
  11. Ronstar

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    yeah, the trained professionals.
     
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    Wearing a uniform doesn't make you shoot better. I know a lot of people I would rather have in a firefight than the police.
     
  13. OrlandoChuck

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    I know we all would like to believe that police are well trained shooters.
    Unfortunately, thats not really the case. I have shot in competition around this country with plenty of cops.
    These cops that shoot competition are real shooters. They have told me several stories of many cops that almost never fire their weapon and have poor gun handling skills. Most are not firearm enthusiasts and only fire their weapon once a year for qualifying purposes.
    Hardly trained professionals in regard to firearms.
    On the other hand, people who concealed carry have made the decision to qualify and take an interest in their firearm. In other words they shoot way more often than cops.
     
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    My two cents...

    I believe CCW permit holders should be allowed to carry on a college campus, including students and faculty. For me the issue is one of trust as opposed to fear.

    I hear the fear and the desire to stereotype a generation. I invite those who feel that way to attend a college gun control debate—to stand on the stage and look out at the crowd—to waive in their direction while you decree that they are all too immature to assume the freedom our Constitution says is their birthright. Tell them yes, I have never met you, and I know nothing about you other than your approximate age and that you attend this university, but those facts alone are sufficient for me to decide you are too immature to exercise all the rights guaranteed you in the nation’s charter. When will I be mature enough, you ask? I can’t say. How about you graduate, get a job, and come back and we’ll see….

    Listen. We trust these young men and women to make calculations which help NASA guide multimillion dollar spacecraft to Mars. We trust them to enter and make use of nuclear reactor facilities. We trust them to handle and learn about deadly infectious diseases. We trust them to handle and research ways to use deadly chemicals. We trust them to operate on people in teaching hospitals.

    But they are too immature to trust them to exercise a fundamental right—even after the state has already approved them to carry concealed when it gave them a permit?

    And the professors? What about them? What about the man who teaches nuclear chemistry and advanced thermodynamics, along with the woman who teaches biomolecular engineering? Are they also too immature to carry concealed, even if the state issues them a permit?

    The State that issues both students and professors a CCW permit already trusts them to carry concealed when they go grocery shopping at Food Lion and when they buy a cheeseburger at the local McDonalds. And so I see this as the real question: For those who already have a CCW permit, is there any evidence to suggest they suddenly decompensate and become untrustworthy the moment they set foot on campus, only to become rehabilitated and able to safely carry concealed again when they leave and go home to their off campus apartments or to the McDonalds?

    I see nothing about the college campus environment which has this effect on a person. Oh but they get drunk and have wild parties, you say. Yes, they do. They have done so for years both on and off campus—for many students live in off campus housing. Are you asking to ban concealed carry there as well, or is it only the emotional response to a gun being safely carried concealed on campus that drives your views?
     
  17. OrlandoChuck

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    The trial studies have been done on this subject.
    Currently 9 states allow people with concealed carry licenses to carry on campus.
    There have been no incidents or problems from this policy.
    People against this have an irrational fear because it is proven to be a successful policy.
    Crazies that have shot people on campuses are not the concealed carry folks.
     
  18. Bean1980

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    If they are mature to go fight for our country,I think they are old enough to protect themselves also.If the criminals and idiots new that the school was protected in most cases there would be no need to go any further.In most cases criminals don't like even odds,and the ones that don't care will soon meet their demise,either way problem solved with limited damage.That is a whole lot better then now.
     
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    How did he attempt to bypass NICS? refererence please.
     
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    I don't remember which shooter I was referencing. Many of them bought guns legally even though I'm sure they knew they shouldn't be able to.

    If it was the OR shooter or some of the other ones, they got their guns from what could be considered theft or straw purchase, and bypassing NICS that way.
     
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    There was no reported attempt at bypassing the national instant check system. More than a dozen purchases were committed, each with an accompanying background check being performed at the time of each and every purchase.
     
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    I don't know why the anti's always try and make the gun the issue it will always be available to those who want to misuse them.It doesn't matter what laws,regulations,or even rights you make or try and change.That is the simple truth,all the other is just a smoke screen to cover what the real problem is.
     
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    Because they do not wish to anger those that are loyal to their political party. To blame any other contributing factor would portray them as being a party of racists.
     
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    Seems only the bad guys have guns on campus.
     

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