Bernie Sanders is Not a Socialist

So you are saying that Bernie is a liar? Or just too stupid to know what he is?

 

I have already made a decision on who I will vote for on the democratic primaries. I rather not say whom because that is my business.... but I must ask, if Sanders was this hard core independent in the US Senate, did he have to switch party affiliations to register as a Democrat in Vermont to run for the democratic nomination? I have wonder because the republicans are all about party purity, but I wonder if the democrats play by the same game.

 

So he wants to tell people what they can and cannot do with their property and he wants to take people's property and give it out in the form of government charity.

I don't care what label you apply, those are both violations of property rights and I oppose them wholeheartedly.

 

Socialism is government ownership of the means of production. Under socialism, gov't owns and operates the car factory but individuals can still own the car. Communism is elimination of private property. Gov't not only produces the car, but owns it after production.

 

After Hitler attacked his ally, Comrade Stalin in 1941 the left in America were saying the same thing about Hitler, that Hitler wasn't a socialist.

But before June 22, 1941 Hitler was looked upon by other socialist as being a socialist.

 

Because socialists always disagree with each other. Stalin and Lenin didn't agree with each other, just like Marx didn't totally agree with Hegel. So like feminists, chrisians, muslims, and trekkies, they like to sit around discussing what is, and is not socialism. Is socialism a continual revolution, or does it end in a utopia where revolution is no longer necessary?

Then when they get into power, they start re-educating those who are considered ideologically impure from their particular viewpoint of what socialism is, just as isis is busy re-educating muslims, and slaughtering the ineducable.

This is what socialists have done for as long as there have been socialists. They can't help themselves.

 

Bernie Sanders is not a socialist, he is a Social Democrat


"Social democracy is a political ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy, and a policy regime involving welfare state provisions, collective bargaining arrangements, regulation of the economy in the general interest, redistribution of income and wealth, and a commitment to representative democracy. Social democracy aims to create the conditions for capitalism to lead to greater egalitarian, democratic and solidaristic outcomes"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

 

So social democracy is a ideology that proposes using state violence to violate the liberty and property of the people. Got it.

 

The problem with socialist, today's progressives and liberals, there is always a totalitarian screaming to get out.

 

Vote for your dear leader or go to the re-education camp.

 

And like all socialist, the Social Democrats in America during the 1960's and early 70's aided and supported the North Vietnamese government and continued to refuse to fight the Cold War, well they refused to side on America's side.

 

Stalin was paranoid and didn't agree with anyone including Trotsky. He killed anyone he felt threatened by. He filled the Gulags.

 

Bernie wants MASSIVE government regulation and control of most industries, banks, higher education.

that's a form of socialism, even if democratically decided.

 

Whatever label you want to attach to Bernie and his ideals, I do NOT want either.

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Agreed. The labels are meaningless. He wants to violate the liberty and property of Americans. I'm not buying it, whatever it's called.

 

Well, that's pretty much a technicality. They aren't free elections.

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To be fair, that's not very different from a lot of his competition. He just happens to focus on the elements of society that would benefit the poor and young most.

Most other candidates of both parties have their own statist impulses. Bernie just happens to be more upfront about it.

 

I don't care. I'm actually well read on the subject, whereas you quite clearly aren't. I have a working familiarity with Marxist socioeconomic theory.

 

along with Castro, Pol Pot, Mao, and uncle Ho, along with every other socialist that ever came down the pike. And of course that is in their very ideology of predicting Joe six-pack is gonna get angry enough about seeing rich people drink Sam Adams when Joe has to settle for bud.

 

I think it really sucks that we have to have totalitarian labels at all.

I mean for instance, I lean Libertarian in a lot of ways. However you cannot call me a Libertarian because while I believe in a minimal amount, I probably believe in more regulation than what a book definition "Libertarian" would be.

Likewise, I dont believe he is a tried and true Socialist however I do believe he is the most Socialist leaning candidate of anyone up there on either side.

Being so I vehemently disagree with him on many MANY fiscal matters.

Def a no for me

 

We have labels for the same reason that words have meanings. Labels tell us what's in a box of breakfast cereal, when we should stop our cars while driving, what we should put in our mouths, and what we shouldn't. When you click on an icon on your computer, the reason you chose that particular icon is because of what that icon represents.

Similarly, political ideologies have "labels" because it helps to identify the beliefs, principles, and idea behind the idea.

If you dislike that, then I'm assuming you wouldn't have a problem if somebody monkeyed about with your computer so that when you click on an icon, you'll never know what will happen.

You mention that you're not a complete ideologue, and that you mix and match your politics to match your ideas of what is best. What word would you use to describe this ideology of yours? It's not totalitarianism or fascism or capitalism or socialism or oligarchy, but rather something new.

What do you call it, and what is the idea behind your idea that helps you decide which parts are good and which are bad? To somebody like me that loves to examine ideas, yours sounds like a political version of pin the tail on the donkey.

 

Yes. And His Denmark Comments Show He Doesn’t Understand His Own ‘Socialism’

He claims he wants to follow the "Socialism" of Denmark, but Denmark has been moving away from socialism for some time and has the eleventh most free economy in the world, one place ahead of the United States, reflecting Denmark’s strong property rights, relative freedom from corruption, low public debt, freedom of trade and investment and Denmark’s corporate tax rate is much lower than our own.

Denmark has a large and expensive welfare state paid for the only way that you can: with high taxes on the middle class, high income taxes and a value-added tax, that is not the US Left's "free lunch" vision of socialism, Sanders talks about taxing a handful of billionaires to pay for practically everything.

Sanders complains that six big banks have assets equal to 65 percent of U.S. GDP but doesn't notice that in Switzerland two banks have combined assets more than twice Switzerland’s GDP, reflecting the fact that the moneyed people and institutions of the world have a great deal of confidence in Swiss financial institutions and that similar folks invest with American institutions for similar reasons. Denmark’s largest bank has assets totaling 1.6 times Denmark’s GDP — a lot more than the 65 percent split among six banks in the United States that so troubles Sanders.

 

Look, unless they are controlled by a politburo caste of thought control specialists most socialists and communists (i.e., most of the Dem Party's leadership) are going to be a conflicting hodge podge of radical ideologies struggling to find and then maintain common ground while they collectively fork this nation and its people over. Give the Party and its leadership time. Some day they will have people in charge of establishing one brand of thought and ideology for all members -- these things take time.

 

You mean he's just another democratic ass ?

 

But where are the voters?

With the October, 2013 implosion of the ObamaCare website, even the low information voter caught on that the federal government is stupid, incompetent, dishonest, and profligate. Now far more folks understand that expanding the power and scope of the federal government is not progress.

 

People just need to wake up and learn more.

Sanders isn't promoting any form of "socialism", that America hasn't embraced already for hundreds of years. And it is something that is NEEDED to mitigate the negatives we KNOW are associated with unbridled, laissez faire capitalism.

Yes. We have to apply proper checks/balances to capitalism or it (mainly greed) will run this nation into the ground.